Ramon Sessions is headed to the Lakers. Details are shady right now (I’ll fill in the details as they become available), but Windhorst says the Cavs are getting a “future draft pick.”
UPDATE: Okay, here are the details: Sessions & Eyenga to the Lakers for Luke Walton and their 2012 first rounder (top 14 protected). The Lakers also have the right to swap their 2013 first-rounder with the Cavs’ Heat selection. I liked this trade a lot better when it didn’t involve the words “Luke Walton.”
UPDATE #2: Jason Kapono has also been included in the Sessions deal.
UPDATE #3: The Plain Dealer is reporting the Cavs are done for the day.
UPDATE #4: Windhorst has corrected himself. The Cavs will have the ability to switch picks with the Lakers in the 2013 draft. So that Miami pick that’s probably going to be in the late 20s? They can swap it with the Lakers, who will probably be picking closer to early 20s/high teens.
Jim, Matt, Tony, etc.
If these draft picks were so valuable, then why did the Lakers trade a better one (Dallas) for Houston to take Fisher off their hands (and a minor rotation guy in Hill)
Do you guys think Sessions is worth less than Hill? Because that’s what this trade would imply.
Let me repeat:
…I think we are all seriously undervaluing the 2013 pick switch option as Lakers are dangerously close to starting a rebuild next year if they fail early in this year’s playoffs which could mean a 2013 lottery pick for us.
And add (per Matt’s clarification):
Plus, the Dallas pick is protected so if they keep sucking then it would have been no dice for us in 2012 draft.
Not as straightforward as you are trying to make it.
1. Sessions probably wouldn’t have stayed for a reasonable price as a back-up.
2. The more picks we have, the better odds we have to draft a decent player.
3. Hooray
that pick is top 20 protected Mallory, which means houston wouldn’t get a pick this year if the season ended today. And here I thought you were trying to speed up the rebuild!
Oh ya, also trading the 30th pick in the draft next year for the 20th-25th (where the lakers will probably end up next year) wasn’t too bad either. I agree houston still got a better deal cause sessions it much better than Hill, but how does that effect whether the cavs should have let sessions walk for nothing or gotten the best deal they could for him?
“Do you guys think Sessions is worth less than Hill? Because that’s what this trade would imply.”
Again, when you consider all the facts, not a nitpicked few, I’d much rather have what we got from the lakers than what houston got, so this trade implies not such thing.
No time right to scroll through the first 164 (!!!) posts, so sorry if this is repetitive, but: (1) I don’t think there’s any chance Sessions would have exercised his player option. Why would he? He’d have tested the market in hopes of getting a multi-year guarantee and a starting job; (2) To not only get the Laker’s 1st rounder this year, but the right to swap and thus move up in next year’s 1st round, is pretty good value for Sessions (who is a “pretty good” player yes, but let’s not overrate him); (3) based on current standings, the Cavs now have a mid-lottery pick (with a shot of it turning into Anthony Davis), plus the 25th, 33rd and 38th picks in a draft that is considered to be an abnormally deep talent pool. People, this is a good thing!
Love the community on here right now, even if a lot of it is argumentation. Go Cleveland!
To be less confusing, I think houston got better value on their trade. they gave up a lot less, but they also recieved a little less. But the Cavs got more total in theirs.
I’d rather have the lakers’ own lottery protected pick and move up 5-10 spots next year then roll the dice that the mavericks improve from being tied for the 17th-18th pick, but not so much so as to make their pick the same or worse value than the lakers.
@Brian
Most fans on this blog agree with you. Mallory main problem with the trade is that Cavs didn’t get enough for taking Walton (at least, I think that’s it). He has a point. However, Walton’s contract is for the most part a non-factor. It’s one year. The Cavs will still be well under the cap.
Maybe the Cavs could have done better. But they didn’t do badly, despite what John Hollinger would tell you.
Walton’s contract is one year after this season
Is there any protection on next year’s “swap”? Most likely, the swap only moves us up about 5 spots, but what if something happens like a Kobe injury, can we swap into the lottery then?!
No protection on next year’s pick. Kobe will definitely drop off at some point. If it’s next year and the Lakers fall a lot, we’ve struck gold and this trade gets a whoooolllleeeee lot better.
This is a GREAT trade. We don’t need a back-up PG who wants to a chance to be a starter (Which he has every right to) when we have one of the best young PG’s in the league. I’d rather get the pick, when he’s planning on leaving next year anyways, and use it to grab another player (via trade) (or used to move around the board) or just grabbing a good player in a DEEP draft. Be smart about this, WE TRADED A BACK-UP FOR A 1ST ROUND PICK!!
Don’t know if you’ve talked about it yet… But who’s the new backup PG? Boobie? If that’s the case who’s the backup SG? Kapono?
I disagree with Hollinger’s analysis of the trade (and I like Hollinger). Taking on Walton’s contract is Dan Gilbert’s problem, but it’s not like it handicaps the team.
The Cavs keep acquiring more and better draft picks. I’ll all for it. If the Kings first rounder comes in 2014, the Cavs will have 2 first rounders each for the next four years, and two 2nd rounders each for the next 3 years. What that means, is a topic for a totally different discussion..
I have no problem with taking Walton’s contract. He’s terrible, yes, but his expiring contract will become a valuable trade asset next season
Mallory, you always reference Kevin’s draft article, but it seems like you didn’t even read it. The whole summary was that outside of the top 10, 1st round picks are pretty much interchangeable, but the ones in the 20s are cheaper. So how does swapping from 30th next year to 15 make this trade a WHOLE LOT BETTER than simply adding an extra 25th pick?
I’m not sure I agree with kevin’s article entirely, just wondering why you reference it so much without seeming to understand the synopsis.
sorry, nevermind. I take it you only think its Way better if Lakers are lottery bound. Let us hope!! Kobe better show us that he is a human and quick.
Didn’t know there were so many readers.
Also, happy for Sessions that he’s traded to a playoff team and not some team like the Bobcats.
@mallory, you are again being, and have been throughout this thread, disingenuous. you keep pretending like there were other trades available, though you won’t mention them. you keep pretending ramon could’ve stayed, though there is no report stating he would, while they’re countless reports saying it was likely he would leave *and* you undervalue a pick that in the last 5 drafts have yielded serious rotation guys. at this point i think you are punking us by continuing to argue the indefensible.
My Hopes are the Cavs are able to take Kidd-Gilchrist/Beal somewhere between the 8-10 pick and than snag Fab Melo with the 23-26 pick that they just got. I’m all for winning… but with either of the players we just got replacing Razor Ramon I don’t see it happening.
I see taking on Walton’s contract as almost irrelevant, from a long-term team-building view. Like Jon said, it’s Dan Gilbert’s problem. If the contract went through 2013-14, I could see reason for concern, because then it might stop the Cavs from adding a free agent at a point where Kyrie’s in his 3rd year and the team might be ready for a big move up the standings. But extra money on next year’s cap is not as a big a deal.
One other point that may or may not have come up in the above discussion. To the extent anyone was thinking the Cavs should try to extend Sessions, don’t forget that we already know Kyrie is good enough that, when the time comes, the Cavs will likely be offering him a max or near-max extension. He’s that kind of talented. Which means the last thing they would want is to invest another $5 million a year in a backup PG. They have to find a cheaper, but still adequate player to fill that role. Having 2 1st rounders in each of the next two drafts, plus extra second rounders, gives them pretty goods odds of finding such a player.
Kevin, to build on your point about 1st rounders over the next 4 years – in the 4 year-period after drafting Lebron (2004-2007), the Cavs had a total of 2 1st rd picks, thanks to unfortunate trades that have already been discussed on this blog. Now, in the next 4 years after drafting Kyrie, they’ve got at least 7 and possibly 8 1st rounders coming their way, and based on his track record CG will keep looking for every opportunity to accumulate more. We shall see whether this rebuild is successful, but one thing is absolutely clear — the Cavs are determined not repeat the mistakes of the past era.
Goodbye Ramon, We will realyy miss you!! I’ll never forget how hard you worked last year for us when all the team had injuries and you were in pain those last weeks and held off on surgery to the bitter end. Ho w hard it must of been to play 2nd fiddle to Kyrie but again you put on a professional front and supported him. I don’t blame you for a better role getting more minutes. You desrve that . We did get a good deal with a pick for this year. We should wish him the best. Lakers don’t reealize how lucky they are to get such a class act. and hard worker. But it’s Ramon’s time now! Shine on! Man it sucks to lose him.
Tammie, “Every time she laughs, an angel dies. Even telemarketers avoid her. Her birth was payback for the sins of man. But you know the worst thing about her? She works for the library.”