Podcap: Cavs 116, Wizards 113 (or, Twofor Tuesday)
2019-01-30Well that was almost too close to call… but, the Cavs prevailed on yet another Tuesday night, running their win streak to two games for only the second time this season. The wine & gold dominated the Wall-less Wizards for just over 40 minutes before nearly choking away a 25 point lead in the final eight minutes.
Cedi Osman and Jordan Clarkson were the two-headed scoring monster for the Cavs, scoring 26 and 28 points respectively, while combining to knock down 20-31 shots (10-16 from deep). The Cavs also dished 30 dimes as a team, and dominated the Wiz in almost every aspect of the game until the final minutes.
Nate and EG formed a dynamic duo of their own (or tried to at least), and hopped in the booth to break down this exciting game, and the current two game surge. We cover the Cavs current rising stars, their bobbling rookie, some old Cavs who nearly brought Washington all the way back, and some other old Cavs who might just be reuniting someday in another city. Not to mention, we spent a long time furrowing our brows about the whole AD situation. You might need a couple of shots to get through it…
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I am not sold on anyone save GSW. Though the Raps thumped them good.
Bucks beat raps 3/4 times this year. Once without Leonard. Twice at Toronto. Not sold on the raptors. But moot point since either would be swept in the finals.
I don’t think either would get swept, especially the Bucks, but no one is beating the Warriors if they’re healthy.
I didn’t expect DMC to come back play well and fit in. Factors into my thinking.
Final-ish details on KP deal.
Mavs get: KP, Hardaway Jr, Lee, Burke
NY gets: Smith Jr, Jordan, Matthews, Mavs 2021 unprotected (?), + 2023 Mavs first (prot 1-10 & may go away/turn into a 2nd if does not convey?).
I heard ESPN gave the Mavs a C. If that is Pelton, he is showing how dumb he is.
looks to me like a win-win trade.. assuming toothpick legs dont snap under excessive torque.. which, if i am betting, will happen.. if porz plays for years w/out injury.. mavs got the better of deal.. but i wouldnt make that bet.. knicks got better.. maybe we can get nkit from them..
matthews has been a steady eddie his entire career.. 13ppg is money from him.. i think knicks keep him,, smith jr is now their pg (at least until kyrie arrives).. so nkit is expendable.. i think cavs should try to grab him.. he’s got some upside.. buy low.. sell high.. always worked for me..
lastly, i would rather have anth davis in LA w LBJ than in BOS w kyrie..
as an aside.. re dumb GMs.. hardaway jr drafted 1st #24 in 2013 (by NY).. avg 19.1… burke drafted 1st #9 (by MIN).. avg 11..
Wanna go one better?
NY drafted Frank Nikitina (sp?) 8th. Dallas took DSJr 9th. A year andxa half later, NY trades their best player (KP) and leading scorer (Hardaway) for the guy they could have had for free.
Bonus stupid: despite the above, at least Wes, DJ, and DSJr are all healthy and likely make the Knicks better, thus hurting the tank a bit.
I want AD to go where ever Rich Paul promised him he wouldn’t go.
“I want AD to go where ever Rich Paul promised him he wouldn’t go.”
In that case, get that boy a CLE jersey…
He really has ‘only’ had the one serious injury. ACL tear was clean. He should be fine.
I will reiterate my comment from the other day that half of NBA GMs are stupid.
Exhibit A: KP trade.
Exhibit B: Lakers looking at Kidd.
B is Rick Bucher, so grain of salt.
Pelicans call lakers back. Remove AD from Intro. I think they might cave.
Which btw is support for your assertion.
Bagley & Young & Ayton over Doncic. That is six right there and we just covered the last draft & 24 hours and did not even mention the Wizards or Bulls.
Maybe half is too much. A third without breaking a sweat.
Wizards, bulls, Minny, arguably some of the cavs decisions, Miami because what have they been doing four four years? Pistons trying to win now.
Can’t wait till Kidd is coaching Lebron and Melo. HoF crew.
CAVS WHO IN RECENT YEARS HAVE BEEN THE TEAM / FRANCHISE MAKING BLOCKBUSTER TRADE DEADLINE DEALS —–DON’T THINK THEY WILL BE ABLE TO TOP THIS ONE —DON’T KNOW IF ANY TEAM WILL—UNLESS THE PELS DECIDE TO MOVE DAVIS ———-” LET THE GAMES BEGIN ” !!
yo, nomad old friend, would you kindly use some lower case fonts.. easier to read.. no umbrage intended
AM ALMOST TWICE THE 36 YRS—–NEVER / EVER / SPILL BEER —ESPECIALLY A GOOD IPA ——–2 THINGS NOT CAVS / BASKETBALL RELATED
1 )–HOW DID BARKLEY BEAT OUT BAKER FOR ROOKIE OF THE YEAR –OH YEAH NEW YORK VS “SMALL MARKET ” CLEVELAND —–WTF
2)—1ST INDIANS REGULAR SEASON GAME WILL BE PLAYED ON MARCH 28TH—IN THE “BALMY ” CITY OF MINNESOTA ——WTF —–GET SOME SMARTS BASEBALL——EITHER SHORTEN THE SEASON OR START THE SEASON IN WARM WEATHER CLIMATE CITIES—–OK I HAVE RANTED ENOUGH—BACK TO DRINKING– (NOT SPILLING –) MY IPA
1. Barkley was arguably the best running back in the league and one of the top offensive players in the league. Mayfield had a tremendous season as a rookie qb, but was not a top offensive player in the league compared to the top ten qbs, top 3 RBs, top 5 receivers. You could argue about leadership, but as far as production, Barkely was on another level.
As a Penn State and Cleveland fan, this is a wash. When the Browns drafted Baker, I was thrilled; when my son’s favorite team drafted Barkley next, my heart sank, and with good reason–NO running back in the league now is doing what he does. He is the unholy offspring of Metcalf, Faulk and Peterson. My dream draft had him one and Mayfield four; the Browns must have known Baker wouldn’t be there and had to lock up a QB that equals wins. My son, coincidentally, felt pretty secure that the Giants would win more games than the Browns… he’s… Read more »
I wonder how many 36 year old bearded white men just spilled IPAs on their MacBooks lunging to order Mavs jerseys?
I’m 43,jerk.
And it’s too early for ipas. Dry hopped nitro coldbrew coffee.
And now I have to go to the apple store.
Lol.
Ben Werth doesn’t have a beard to my knowledge, but he may have spilled an IPA…
Hahhahahahahahahhaha
Meanwhile I’m still trying to find a Dion Waiters Cavs t shirt
Knicks gonna Knick.
Mindboggling
Yep. Three things that make this trade even dumber, for me: 1) DSJ, Wes, and DJ are all healthy. Zinger was out & Lee not playing. They just got better/hurt the tank a bit. Still assuredly bottom 4, but still… 2) Doesn’t this hurt your chances to land a star FA? Who are they gonna play with? Unless there are wink-wink deals in place. Or course, Kyrie/KD/Kawhi are not the brightest bulbs…. 3) DSJ was supposedly unhappy with Doncic running the show. And the only way this makes any sense us if you have a wink deal for a star(s?)… Read more »
They may buy out Wes.
Wow. What a wojbomb.
Rumor has it Mavs also trying to get a furst to include, as their 2019 is likely to the Hawks (Doncic trade).
Contract details on the blockbuster:
NY ships out:
THJr: 3 yrs. $17.3/18.1/19.0 (PO)
Lee: 2 yrs: $12.3/12.8
Zinger: 2 yrs: $5.7/4.4 (Qual Off)
Dall ships:
DJ: 1 yr: $22.9 (expiring)
Wes: 1 yr: $18.6 (expiring)
DSJr: 4 yrs: $3.8/4.4/5.7(TO)/7.7(QO)
I tell you what, if next year we can turn TT ($19 mil expiring), Clarkson ($12 mil expiring) and Sexton into a Porzingas level player, that is a trade worth making.
without the injury baggage please
Wow. Huge trade.
That is a HUGE win for Dallas if Zinger can be re-signed & comes back fairly healthy. They offload DJ and the still serviceable Matthews & get the still serviceable Lee and younger Hardaway. Had to offload Smith to do it, but that was not working anyway.
They need a 3&D PG type since Luka will run the show. That is for next year.
NY just got 3 healthy players: DJ, Matthews, and Smith Jr. Perhaps they start winning some games now?
Big if as far as his health I think. Just have a bad feeling he is going to have his potential derailed by injuries.
7’4″ build presents vulnerability to high stresses that are inherent in high level hoops.. no way i would invest that much into a 7’4′.. height has diminishing returns.. but, yes, many are ignorant and/or stupid.. can’t avoid the bell curve
Hearty congratulations to new NY Knick Kyrie Irving.
swinging for KD as well at the very least, I’d imagine.
IDK, they just traded for Smith.
IF WALTON IS LET GO—IF I AM KOLBY –I AM MAKING A PHONE CALL TO LUKE PERSONALLY
Wouldn’t mind picking him up in the middle of the season.
SO GLAD WE DON’T HAVE THAT DAILY DRAMA ANYMORE—–DON’T GET ME WRONG I WOULD TAKE BACK LEBRON IN A HEARTBEAT—BUT THE DAILY DRAMA WAS EXHAUSTING TO EVEN US FANS—CAN YOU IMAGINE WHAT THE PLAYERS/ COACHES WENT / MUST GO THRU ……….THEY SAY HEY DON’T READ / CAN TUNE IT OUT—-I DO NOT BELIEVE / HIGHLY DOUBT THEY CAN
Bwhahahaha
“Now it appears the Lakers may have zeroed in a potential replacement, as Ric Bucher explained on the “Bucher and Friends” podcast that there’s mutual interest with Jason Kidd: “There’s another development that I’m hearing is gaining momentum, and that’s the possibility of Jason Kidd returning to the coaching ranks by succeeding Luke Walton with the Lakers. ”
https://www.lakersnation.com/lakers-rumors-mutual-interest-exists-jason-kidd-potentially-replace-luke-walton-fired/2019/01/30/
Hope so.
Bulls win tonight. Zion league wins:
10 = Knicks
11 = Suns, Cavs
12 = Bulls
——–
16 = Hawks
IMO, it’s apparent that the long term goal of the NBA is to move small market franchises abroad to large international markets… ie China, Brazil, Argentina, etc… I could see most of the flyover state teams moving abroad.
I have unlimited cynicism when it comes to the goals and greed of big corporations (very much including the NBA), but I’d love to see how they’d handle scheduling and travel for that. I’m sure they’d love expansion to those big markets, but actually relocating most teams to those areas would lead to the collapse of the league.
Yeah it would be cool. Just don’t know how it is feasible logistically.
And by cool I mean expanding the league, not relocating. Also there is no way it happens without expansion. Logistically impossible.
I agree from an economic standpoint and marketing. Logistically I think it would prove impossible to play an 82 game schedule with travel times to different continents. Think the only way would be to massively reduce the regular season schedule.
Plus playoffs would be almost impossible scheduling wise for 7 game series unless you did away with home court and played on a neutral floor somewhere. What could work could be a soccer champions league style league system, where champions of American played winners of a euro league, Asian league etc.
Agreed…. and I think you’re onto something with the soccer leagues comparison.
I was implying by my comment that the only thing holding back the NBA from expanding globally is logistical concerns… I think some/most/all owners are onboard with the concept of global expansion are indeed planning for it.
the “mohrons” who allowed the big $$ to move their jobs overseas, because they thought they could become hedge fund managers with their 5k at e-trade certainly won’t stand for losing their teams.. they need something to do when they are not flipping burgers for the min wage.. never gonna happen.. our “workers” won’t allow it
this “nation” collapses into chaos without the glue that these sports spectacles provide..
without the “opium” that these sports….
or “hopium”.. whatever you prefer..
modern civ runs on multi-tiered addiction.. without it.. the hamsters won’t run as fast on their wheels
Bleak, but not untrue. At least Marx would think so.
watch “the brain” a 6-part pbs special (available on amazon or pbs) with a neuro-scientist at rice univ.. a real eye opener on “human nature” for the naive (re people who don’t stay current with science).. research has found some very interesting results.. for instance, an individual’s political persuasion can be predicted, with 95% confidence, by showing people a few “disgusting” images (e.g., a house fly on some poop, etc).. care to guess which party’s members get “grossed” out and which party’s members are rather non-plussed? i think most folks would get this question correct
very few of us are “in control” of our minds.. rather, it is closer to the slim pickins riding the nuke.. “we” are just enjoying the ride.. the ride being a metaphor for whatever externalities run your life
i am actually closer to freud than marx, although karl had his great insights into capital
the id exists.. watch forbidden planet.. that is some excellent sci-fi
Oh I actually just saw that for the first time in a long time during the holidays. Forgot Leslie Nielsen was one of the leads in it. So strange watching him as a dramatic actor.
Huh. Sounds interesting. Will have to check that out. I do love me some PBS science docs.
and the big $$ paper pushers enjoy getting the business write-off from their first row seats, or the private booths.. no.. the cavsbrownsindians ain’t goin anywhere..
IMO, the level of Cedi’s play has risen commensurate to the frequency with which he attacks the rim in recent games. He’s a really good finisher at the rim, I think that’s what he showed the most last year playing with LeBron.
I think he is pretty good at finishing, but much better at finishing on the break than in halfcourt where I think he is probably an average finisher. 61% is good though. If he finished at that rate for a season I think you could call him a very good finisher.
If he is nailing his threes it seemingly really boosts his confidence and I think it translates to the rest of his game.
Interesting point on half court vs. transition… I’d chalk that up to frequency of opportunities but it could be the case re: Cedi. I think his Turkish tape showed he’s effective as an offensive initiator in PnR situations, and what usually happened was him being able to dribble drive and finish in half court situations.
I haven’t watch much of him with the national team. He definitely has shown flashes as far as his drives this season. It just hasn’t been very consistent as far as being hyper effective until recently.
I think that was a product of a lack of good coaching… making Cedi a spot up shooter instead of putting the ball in his hands and allowing him to create. Granted, he was definitely trying to do too much some of the times he did get those opportunities.
He had a play last night I loved. Simple. Efficient. Left block, post up position with live dribble, backing down. Single coverage. He makes a move to center of the lane (his right), defender cuts him off. He cuts his dribble, spins/steps left, lays it in off glass with the left. Defender had no chance once he overcommitted centrally. He was under control, in control, and reacted correctly to the defense. Not a mouse in house situation either. If he lets you get into the lane going right, take it. When that was cut off, he deployed the countermeasure. Having… Read more »
Yup… his spin move is definitely something I notice, and he just seems to finish well off the glass on dribble drives.
THIS WHOLE LAKERS / DAVIS THING IS TOTAL B.S.—-SILVERN NEEDS TO “GROW SOME ” AND START TO DO HIS JOB AS COMMISSIONER—————ON “FLATEARTH ” KYRIE——-REMINDS ME OF AN OLD SAYING ”……THE MORE YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH……..THE MORE YOU PROVE HOW STUPID YOU ARE “
HEY CLF —THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO JOIN THE “CAP’S ” CLUB WITH ME —SIGH : ( ——–AGREE WITH A POST LAST NIGHT / WEST COAST –( AND I AM GUILTY ALSO ) BEING TOO HARSH— ON YOUNG BULL—HE IS / JUST TURNED 20 YRS OLD / MOST DIFFICULT POSITION TO LEARN / ON A TERRIBLE TEAM / COACHING CHANGES / WOULD JUST –IF HE LEARNS 1 THING THE REMAINDER OF THE SEASON—–” PLAY WITHIN THE FLOW—LET THE GAME COME TO YOU –DO NOT WORRY ABOUT –” GOTTA GET MINE “/ TAKE A NOTE FROM BURKS WITH HIS FLOOR GAME… Read more »
Sexton will be fine when the Cavs bring in Mark Jackson, and Jackson explains the importance of “hand down….MAN DOWN!”…
LOL…. only on game threads NOMAD!!!
Great point about Sexton hitting the gym… he does need to get stronger, and I think he has the type of body to add muscle without losing his speed.
Great dark horse pick Nate on Black Klansman. A more important film IMO culturally than Black Panther, only criticism I have of BK is that it was 20 minutes too long.
Ultimately, what made it too long were the trump footage and the modern day footage. The framing while interesting wasn’t all that artistic, and will make the film seem dated as it ages.
Interesting… I actually liked that part as a contextual element of the movie. I thought the scenes prior to that ending part were stretched out a bit too much for me.
But you make a good point, didn’t really think about the “dated” aspect including those scenes.
Good point. Good movie, though. Academy likes to give awards that are almost lifetime achievement awards, or represent several movies in one. So giving Director to Spike Lee seems a real possibility.
Agree with EG and Nate about Black Panther…. was OK, just overhyped so to speak.
It amuses me that basically everyone on Boston & LAs roster has been told they are trade bait. A lot if guys, especially young guys, do not take it well. Discovering they aren’t the belle of the ball anymore. I do not like either team. Or the Dubs. Let chaos (and Denver, Toronto, Phiilly, Milwaukee) prevail. More concerned about US. Cedi & Ante taking steps forward. LNJ getting back in the groove. Clarkson (yes, older players can also imorove!) as well, look at TT. Love & TT & Nwaba getting back on the court. If/when Burks & Hood get dealt.… Read more »
I agree with WCC on the complaining about Sexton. It’s tiresome around here IMO because he’s only 20… it’s going to take 3 or 4 years before we know what he’ll really be. And I say this as one who wanted SGA to begin with. I agree with whomever said (EG?) that his ball handling is what’s holding him back big time… it doesn’t allow Sexton to unleash his athleticism. Also I agree with whomever said that his defense has been disappointing, but the effort’s there he’s just playing defense like a crappy rookie starter on a bad team. At… Read more »
The problem with Sexton is that he’s soooooo bad. If he was on any other team he d be soaking up bench minutes. I said N the pod I’m not passing any judgments till next year. But he just seems to have terrible instincts at times. It seems like things may not click for him for a while, but I’ll give him the summer to show progress.
Can’t disagree that he’s bad. My complaint is more about him being judged in a vacuum or evaluating his play against apparent outliers such as Kyrie or Doncic.
Also I’m couching my evaluation of Sexton within the context that he’s a low floor-high ceiling prospect. I think the Cavs drafted him because of his superior athleticism instead of innate basketball skill. This was the exact reason why I was cheer-leading SGA over Sexton, because SGA had the superior basketball skill but not the top-end athleticism.
But you don’t need as much athleticism when you’re six nine.
True, valid point. But I do think that Sexton had the most athleticism among the rookie class of PGs, hence the “hype” about him as a lottery pick type of prospect.
Yeah, his instinct/feel does not seem great. But you can learn to do the right thing to an extent. Hard work can get you 90% there. But I do not think he has the special sauce/instinct of the great orchestrators (Cousy, Oscar, Magic, Bird, Isiah, Stockton, Kidd, Nash, Bron, CP3, maybe Doncic/Jokic, etc), but few do. That ain’t no crime. Is he playing more minutes than his contribution/level merit? Yes! But he is going to have to take those lumps sometime, and there is no better time than now. It helps the tank. Pre-Delly we have no other PGs anyway.… Read more »
This AD thing has totally turned me against LA once and for all. Couldn’t care that LBJ is there now. They don’t deserve AD or to win anything. They have always been my least favorite team. I was apathetic to them when LBJ went there. Now I am actively rooting against them. Would rather see anyone else win. At least GS drafted three out of four of their best players and found underrated guys as cheap bench guys. They were already great when they signed KD. LA was bad until they signed LBJ. They won’t be contenders unless rich Paul… Read more »
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My hate standings:
1. Celtics (forever and ever amen)
2. Lakers
3. Warriors
I also have hated the Pistons at times. Mostly the bad boys 1.0 and 2.0.
To answer a question in the podcast, the reason why the Cavs had so few timeouts was because Drew called them throughout the 4th quarter to stem the tide of runs by the Wizards. At least that was my recollection of what happened.
Thanks. Didn’t go back through the play by play.
You’re welcome, enjoyed the episode!
This is great
So, uh, Kyrie wants to rejoin LeBron in LA? Boy, here I thought my opinion of Irving couldn’t get any worse…
EG, your reticence to follow the crowd and skeptical take on the latest thing (Doncic, Brad Stevens) is the Australian within you. Keep the flame burning bro.
I’m one shot in and beginning the pod now, with game reply in background. It’s my me-time. I’m sure my wife will understand why I put my phone on silent.
Worst 3 teams have same odds for the number 1 pick (14%). Fourth worst is 12.5%. Fifth is 10.5%. Sixth is 9%. Seventh is 7.5%. Eighth is 6%. Ninth is 4.5%. Tenth is 3%. Eleventh is 2%. Twelfth is 1.5%. Thirteenth is 1%. Fourteenth is .5%.
Yeah…I feel like we aren’t appreciating just how different these odds are. There is a legitimate (meaning statistically significant) chance the #1 pick goes to the team that finishes 10th. 3% is a small percentage…but a significant one. 14% is, statistically speaking, not a light year away from 3%. The cavs should concern themselves with development first…the draft will be what it will be. We are living proof that long odds don’t mean you don’t pick first. Especially when Nick Gilbert shows up. On the topic of the recap…All i have to say is Tom Pestak is missed, but Nate… Read more »
Thanks, Scotch!
Thanks, Simmo!
Hear Hear on the CtB crew. The effort level that is required to produce this content is high. I don’t take this for granted!