Live Thread: Cavs @ Bulls (The Losing Edge)

Tank Battle Mark IV, Cavs fans. While the Cavs are 0-3 against the Bulls this season, they are only two games ahead of (behind?) the Bulls in the loss column at 9-41 versus 11-38. Amazingly, the Cavs make up a whopping 27% of the Bulls’ win total this year. There’s a lot on the line here. While the odds for the top four picks are essentially even for the bottom four teams when it comes to lottery balls, the NBA’s worst team can pick no worse than fifth while its second worst team can pick no worse than sixth.

With both teams desperate for a loss, this is much like my favorite South Park Episode, the Losing edge, where every team in the state baseball tournament is trying to lose, and somehow, the boys from South Park keep winning.

When they win their final game, they are at first overjoyed, believing the season is over and they have the rest of the summer to enjoy – only until they discover, to their horror, that since they finished first in their division, they will have to continue playing in the post-season playoffs. During a ‘celebration’ meal, the team discusses plans to lose on purpose while making it look like they are trying.

However, South Park realize that the other teams also want out, and have actually trained to lose games. The South Park Cows end up winning again and again against opponents whose efforts at throwing games are more successful, and they eventually get to the state championship game. To their horror, they realize that if they win, their season will start again on the national circuit, meaning they will have to play baseball for the whole summer.

While the Cavs went out and drafted a guy who’s absolutely amazing at losing, in Collin Sexton, the Bulls went out and signed two free agents that are no slouches when it comes to bleeding points in Zach Lavine and Jabari Parker. These two have led the bulls to losing 12 of their last 13 and seven in a row at home. Who will be worse, Cavs fans, and keep a lock on that coveted no. 30 spot?

The Cavs have cannily dumped the surprisingly competent seeming Cameron Payne and have signed Kobi Simmons, one of the worst, most frenetic, and skinniest NBA players I’ve ever watched. Expect him to play heavy minutes in this attempt to keep ahead of Chicago in the column.

In injury news, Kevin Love has returned to practice activities, but not games, while Tristan Thompson is out for another couple weeks. Jordan Clarkson is a game time call with an illness (I’m thinking we’re going to see lots of Kobi). For the Bulls they look to start Lopez, Seldon, Markennan, LaVine, and Dunn. Wendell Carter is out for an extended period with thumb surgery, but otherwise the Bulls seem at full health.

Can they do it? Can the Cavs go 0-4 against the Association’s second crappiest team? I’m hoping this one ends like my favorite South Park episode, but instead of Stan’s Dad drunkenly coming out of the stands to get the team disqualified and preserve the boys’ summer, it’s Dan Gilbert stumbling into a fight with Jerry Reinsdorf that disqualifies the Cavs and forces both to give up control of their teams. Hey. I can dream, Can’t I?

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JMay
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21 days 15 hours ago

Came here and didn’t see this morning’s Woj Bomb. Well, AD to the Lakers soon?

Agent Rich Paul has notified the New Orleans Pelicans that All-NBA forward Anthony Davis has no intention of signing a contract extension if and when presented and that he has requested a trade, Paul told ESPN on Monday.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) January 28, 2019

MikeO
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MikeO
21 days 14 hours ago

Hope the Nuggets somehow get him.

JMay
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21 days 14 hours ago

If it’s the Lakers, I hope the Pelicans gut them of their young talent and any future picks.

Nick
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Nick
21 days 14 hours ago

I’d have to imagine Lonzo is one player who will be included. Lakers will probably offer Ingram but I’d start with asking for Kuzma if I’m the Pels. I could see the Pels agreeing to Lonzo, Ingram, KCP, and picks. I personally don’t think that’s enough for AD but who knows how this is going to go down. I’m with MikeO. I’d love to see the Nuggets get him.

John B
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John B
21 days 15 hours ago

Ugh. Lakers magically get their super team. Ffing gross.

Nick
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Nick
21 days 15 hours ago

It’d be really great for some middle of the road team swoop in and win the AD trade sweepstakes. With LA being the “favorite” and Boston having enough assets to go after him I’d just find it funny if neither get him. I can’t stand the Warriors like the rest of the blog but for some reason I can’t bring myself to rooting for Lebron to form a super team in LA and get another title(s). I still like Lebron and hope he continues to do great things but I’m torn on if I want to see him with an LA ring. Same for Boston. I love Kyrie’s game but not sure I want to see Boston win a championship.

John B
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John B
21 days 14 hours ago

My thoughts exactly.

JMay
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21 days 15 hours ago

I don’t want Kyrie to win anything. Ever.

Jason
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Jason
21 days 23 hours ago

When Love comes back, we are going to win some games.

With Cedi playing well, we have at least rotational level NBA players 8-9 deep or so when healthy (Delly, Burks, Cedi, Love, LNJ, TT, Hood, Nwaba, Clarkson), almost all of whom at least try hard. More than NY, Chicago, & Phoenix.

Now, if Burks & Hood go bye bye for nothing in terms of present value…..

West coast cav
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West coast cav
21 days 23 hours ago

There are some very good prospects in the top 5, but Zion is potentially a generational star. We should position ourselves to get the best pick we can. Yes the odds for the first pick are the same, but dropping beyond the fifth spot the prospects drop as well . It’s more important for the Cavs to continue developing Sexton, Cedi and LNJ and even Clarkson than to win games. Purposely tanking degenerates the culture, but giving young players their reps, expanding the roles of someone like LNJ as a ball handler and TT as an offense option… and letting Love comeback slowly won’t lend to winning now, but will work to the team’s future and culture. Playing Hood and Burkes isn’t the future, they’re just rentals that hopefully can create some picks for a trade.

Chris K
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Chris K
22 days 1 hour ago

I appreciate the talk about the “coveted” worst slot, but can we come up with a more appropriate term/phrase for the bottom three, as they all have the same shot at the top pick? I actually want them NOT to be the worst team in the league and still land Zion. Wins like tonight’s are always possible with Matty D playing in the clutch. If Clarkson gives an 18/7/6 line every night? THAT would be an anti-tanking concern…

Scotch
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Scotch
22 days 1 hour ago

Does it feel like Sexton gets ignored a lot on court on offense now? I feel like guys are really trying to not have to give him the ball

Vintage
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Vintage
22 days 4 hours ago

If the Cavs traded Burks/Hood, what would you consider a win in terms of returns?

Jason
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Jason
21 days 23 hours ago

The teams most likely to throw a desperation first at us are no longer desperate.

The Pelicans are almost finished and the Rockets have stabilized.

On the other hand, pickings are slim are we do not have to deal either of them. I would expect most of the activity to be right at the deadline.

NOMAD
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NOMAD
22 days 5 hours ago

THINK HOOD / BURKS HAVE PLAYED (IMPROVED ) THEIR WAY OUTOF HERE AT TRADE DEADLINE

NOMAD
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NOMAD
22 days 5 hours ago

MAN I HAVE FORGOTTEN ALL ABOUT NWABA—WHEN IS HE SCHEDULED TO RETURN—-” DENG IT ‘ DESERVES SOME MIN’S / SEEWHAT HE CAN BRING ON CONSISTENT BASIS ………………BELIEVE YOUNG BULL FOR REMAINDER OF THE SEASON WILL HAVE SOME GOOD GAMES HERE AND THERE BUT OVERALL I SEE MORE GAMES WHERE HE WILL STRUGGLE JUST DO DUE TO LENGTH OF SEASON / TEAMS HAVE SCOUTED HIM–KNOW HIS WEAKNESSES / NO TIME TO REALLY WORK / HONE YOUR SKILLS —DEVELOP —-THIS OFF SEASON HOPEFULLY IS WHERE HE WILL GROW / IMPROVE ALOT —–CAVS NEED TO ASIGN A QAULITY SKILLS COACH FOR HIM DURING OFF SEASON IF THEY HAVE HOPE OF HIM SUCCEEDING

Chris K
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Chris K
22 days 1 hour ago

Sexton is our key to ending up in the bottom three. He learns the ropes while sabotaging wins, and the return of Love, Nwaba and Thompson won’t matter if the point guard eats the ball every other possession.

Jason
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Jason
22 days 5 hours ago

I am starting to be a believer in Cedi. When you start having 17/8 during a game that is just ‘meh’, that is a good sign.

Core Fourward: Love, LNJ, Cedi, #1 pick

Please Keep longer term: Delly, Nwaba

One more year at least: TT, JC, Zizic, Henson.

Worth/needs more development: Sexton, Adel (2 way), Blossomgame (2 way).

Just when I think I am out, they bring me back in: Burks, Hood.

NOMAD
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NOMAD
22 days 6 hours ago

AGREE (JASON )—THE BALL MOVEMENT WAS SOOOO MUCH MORE FUN TO WATCH—-PLAYERS HAVE GOT TO BUY INTO IT —EVERY GAME AND YES CORRECT MOVE TO SIT SEXTON DOWN THE STRETCH—-WAS UPSET WITH HIM DURING ONE TIMEOUT –LOOKED LIKE HE WAS ‘POUTING -UPSET” FOR NOT PLAYING DURING CRUNCH TIME –DIDN’T EVEN BOTHER BEING INVOL;VED IN THE HUDDLE —-THE OLDER PLAYERS NEED TO GET THAT ADDRESSED WITH HIM………………HE NEEDS TO DO WHAT CEDI IS NOW DOING MORE ——DON’T FORCE THE ISSUE —LET THE GAME COME TO YOU —————-BRIAN PLEASE I AM GETTING READY TO EAT DON’T MAKE ME “LONGINBARF ” : )

Jason
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Jason
22 days 6 hours ago

Every Cavs player who played hadxat least 1 assist.

Props to Nate on the appropos South Park reference/analogy.

Chris K
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Chris K
22 days 1 hour ago

That’s 26 assists on 39 shots… best percentage of the season?

Brian
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Brian
22 days 6 hours ago

Mike longabardi schemed up some tough D. The next Brad Stevens?

Simmo
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Simmo
21 days 19 hours ago

Missed the game, re-reading the comments from down the stretch. Coffee just came out my nose on this one.

NOMAD
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NOMAD
22 days 6 hours ago

GAME BALL TO ALL OF US HERE AT CTB FOR CONTINUING TO SUPPORT THESE CAVS ALL SEASON

Jason
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Jason
22 days 6 hours ago

Double digit wins!

NOMAD
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NOMAD
22 days 6 hours ago

CEDI WITH POST GAME INTERVIEW—MAN I LOVE THAT KID —-ANTE WITH 14 BD’S TODAY

Jason
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Jason
22 days 6 hours ago

Tough decision for the game ball:
JC: 18/7/6 on 8/11 FGs, +6
Delly: 16/4/5 on 5/9, +10
Burks: 18/8/2. 6/13 FG 3/7 3s + game winner.

Hon Mention: Cedi (17/8/2); Hood (14 pts, 2/5 3s), Adel (6 pts, 2/2 3s, 1 block)

26 dimes. 8 TOs.

Vintage
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Vintage
22 days 6 hours ago

My vote would be to JC for his fourth quarter play. Fool’s gold from him unfortunately.

NOMAD
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NOMAD
22 days 6 hours ago

FUN GAME TO WATCH FOR A CHANGE

NOMAD
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NOMAD
22 days 6 hours ago

DO YOU BELIEVE IN MIRACLES—CAVS WIN….CAVS WIN ….CVAS WIN !!

Jason
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Jason
22 days 6 hours ago

Do we foul here?

Vintage
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Vintage
22 days 6 hours ago

Clutch Delly

Jason
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Jason
22 days 6 hours ago

Dunn with a crazy shot.

Delly with 2 FTs.

Jason
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Jason
22 days 6 hours ago

All that good movement goes away late. Until the last possession (where we got a bucket).

We blew the 2 for 1.

Up 1 17 seconds.

Vintage
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Vintage
22 days 6 hours ago

Fred/AC are itching for a win too!

Vintage
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Vintage
22 days 6 hours ago

Win or loss this evening, at least this is a more entertaining game. Just needed some ball movement and effort.

Jason
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Jason
22 days 6 hours ago

Up 7 after Hood 3:
Lopez misses shot: JC/Zz botch rebound. Bulls score.
Hood missed 3 after decent possession.
Lavine misses, 2 o boards for a score.
Sexton almost a TO, then a TO, Bulls hoop & harm.

NOMAD
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NOMAD
22 days 6 hours ago

YOUNG BULLL I AM TRYING TO CHEER / SUPPORT YOU—BUT YOU ARE MAKING IT DIFFICULT

Vintage
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Vintage
22 days 6 hours ago

Ughhhhh Sexton

Vintage
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Vintage
22 days 6 hours ago

Insane pass by Clarkson. Defensive rebounding leaving some to be desired.

Vintage
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Vintage
22 days 6 hours ago

This is the most I have seen Clarkson “run” an offense in a long time – don’t think it’s a coincidence it’s happening with Nance out on the floor.

Scotch
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Scotch
22 days 6 hours ago

Fun to see the cutting and ball movement. Even if it is against the bulls…this is a much more fun type of basketball to watch

Vintage
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Vintage
22 days 6 hours ago

Clarkson in a zone. At least he seems like he’s having fun

NOMAD
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NOMAD
22 days 6 hours ago

BEST GAME IN QUITE AWHILE FOR DELLY——BOTH CAVS / BULLS FANS —STANDING GOING INTO 4TH QTR CHANTING —-“ZION–ZION —ZION ‘

Brian
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Brian
22 days 6 hours ago

Best coach dan Gilbert has hired? Mike Brown? That does not bolster confidence in their next hire

NOMAD
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NOMAD
22 days 6 hours ago

“DOW JONES ” REPORT ON BURKS / HOOD—-BURKS ON THE RISE —HOOD STAYING ABOUT EVEN —POSSIBLY DROPPING

NOMAD
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NOMAD
22 days 6 hours ago

AND THE CAVS HAVE GOT TO GET IT RIGHT WITH THE COACH THEY CH00SE—SO IMPORTANT FOR SEXTON / YOUNG TEAM TO GROW

NOMAD
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NOMAD
22 days 6 hours ago

AGREE RIGHT NOW YOUNG BULL IS TAKING HIS LUMPS—BUT STILL BETTER TO TAKE THE LUMPS UP HERE AND NOT DOWN IN CANTON—–HE IS GETTING USED TO THE ATHLETICISM/ SPEED / PHYSICALITY / ALL THE TANGIBLES THAT HOPEFULLY HE CAN / WILL WORK ON IN THE OFF SEASON—NOT SURE HE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN THAT IN CANTON———AND YES CEDI CAN BE A 20 + SCORER

Brian
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Brian
22 days 7 hours ago

I have a really hard time watching Sexton. Completely overwhelmed right now. I wonder if the cavs would have been better off putting him in Canton all year. Kind of like minor league baseball

Jason
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Jason
22 days 7 hours ago

Good early for Sexton by Drew. Too many pullup Js early in the clock.

NOMAD
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NOMAD
22 days 7 hours ago

I DO LIKE THE “MORE MOVEMENT” IN CAVS OFFENSE SO FAR —HOPE THEY CONTINUE AND DON’T GO BACK TO 17 SECONDS OF DRIBBLE / ISO

Jason
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Jason
22 days 7 hours ago

Is it just me, but do the Adel for Jones (2 way) & Simmons for Payne (10 days) portend we may need for wing & less forward/pg help in the near future.

In other words, Hood/Burks/JR on the move soon?

Jason
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Jason
22 days 7 hours ago

Well, we are hanging in. Down 2 at half. Bench all positive +/- save fir Frye. Starters all negative save for Cedi.

No one too extreme either way.

Said on TV Delly is top 10 in the NBA on catch & shoot 3s.

NOMAD
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NOMAD
22 days 7 hours ago

CPT’ BAND AID WITH 9/4/4/ @ HALF——MAN IT WOULD BE NICE IF HE COULD BRING THAT TOTAL TYPE OF PLAY EVERY GAME

Jason
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Jason
22 days 7 hours ago

Yep. He missed a couple WIDE open 3s as well. If he could be a 36% 3PT shooter without the tunnel vision and play some D, he’d be a hellava player.

Sill have hope for him.

NOMAD
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NOMAD
22 days 7 hours ago

PREVIOUS “ANONYMOUS ” WAS ME—–SORRY—FOR BEING A “PAYNE “

Jason
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Jason
22 days 7 hours ago

Good ball movement just cannot hit the shot. Hood & Cedi with open 3s & Cedi off a nifty pass going to the hole.

Only 2 TOs.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
22 days 7 hours ago

CEDI FEELING HIS “LEBRON LOVE “

Brian
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Brian
22 days 7 hours ago

I am feeling a competitive game. I might actually watch this into the 4th quarter

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