Podcap: Milwaukee 108, Cleveland 92 (or, Bucked)

As good as the Cavs looked against a semi-disinterested Wizards team just a couple days ago, they looked equally overmatched tonight against a Bucks team that was missing the Alphabet. The hot shooting that derived from open looks against Washington turned into ice cold bricks in the face of contested efforts against Milwaukee. If your name wasn’t Tristan Thompson, you had a miserable night in the starting lineup. Without Canadian Dynamite (who went down early in the third with a foot sprain), the rest of the starters shot just 10-46.

The Bucks went wild… and didn’t stop until the game was basically over. While the Cavs seemed to pass the buck more often than not defensively. To cover all of the bucking around, Nate and EG trotted into the booth for a recapping this game and a few of the others leading up to it. We spent some time discussing the rookie ups and downs of the Young Bull, the somewhat disappointing sophomore campaign for Cedi Osman, hit on the return of the Thunder from Down Under, and mused about other goings on in the NBA universe. We did it all while occasionally tuning into the final throwdown between LeBron and DWade out in Los Angeles, and were rewarded when we got to see Kelly Olynyk get bucked in the jewels… good times indeed.

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Jason
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Jason
1 month 11 days ago

In looking at desperation JR trade partners, Rockets beat Portland tonight. Moved Gordon into the starting lineup for Ennis, who promptly pulled a hammy.

Rockets sit 14th out west, 2.5 behind Portland for 8th. Tricky bit if schedule coming: LAL, at Mem, Utah, Wash, at Miami, SA, OKC, Bos, at NO, Mem, at GSW, at Port, Den, Mil. A lot of home games, but no gimmies (maybe Wash on a bad night) until the Cavs on 1/11 after Milwuakee. If they fare poorly over this stretch & are 3-7 in their last 10) they they could be 6-7 games out halfway in.

JOHN B
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JOHN B
1 month 11 days ago

Question is why would they trade for JR? They think he is the solution to their defensive issues or to cut a little cap for tax relief next summer? Do the cavs take Knight straight up for whatever reason? Or if not, are the rockets really desperate enough to trade a first for JR and dumping knight rather than look for a better player?

What if a guy like Beal becomes available? Rockets have a first.

JOHN B
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JOHN B
1 month 11 days ago

Here is a desperate trade the rockets might make if they are truly all in with Harden, Paul, Capela.

Their first round next year unprotected, and their 2020 or 2021 with 1-5 protection and this trade:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ydcxhr9d

Washington gets two first rounders for Beal plus knight expiring. Then they trade Wall for some desperate team for a first rounder. Houston gets the fourth piece of their core locked in.

JOHN B
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JOHN B
1 month 11 days ago

Interesting article on Trae Young. Apparently historically bad advanced stats this year. Caveat being the attention he draws from defenses on that Hawks team. Doesn’t really address his d though in the optimistic part. Haven’t watched them other than the cavs games. No idea whether his awful tanking three % is shot selection, bad shooting, or defenses simply nose guarding him out there, or a combo of all three.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2810163-trae-young-making-history-for-the-wrong-reasons-but-that-shouldnt-scare-hawks?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_medium=referral

CLF
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CLF
1 month 11 days ago

Nice find… from what I’ve seen from him, his shot selection is awful and defenses are definitely guarding him once he crosses half court. He’ll make shots once he cuts out the stupid off-rhythm shots…. but he’s kind of stuck since he’s the primary offensive option on their horrible team.

I also agree that his passing is top notch, and the fact that he’s finishing around the rim bodes really well since he sucked at it during most of summer league.

JOHN B
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JOHN B
1 month 11 days ago

I wonder how well he would do on the cavs. Do the cavs have that many more offensive option now that Collins is back? In other words is Young as bad currently as he seems or is Atlanta that bad as far as other offensive options?

CLF
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CLF
1 month 11 days ago

I said that ATL’s roster was worse than the Cavs at the beginning of the year, no question.

Now with the trades made, one still can’t say their roster is better than the Cavs, but maybe now they’re equally terrible.

CLF
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CLF
1 month 11 days ago

That ATL roster is an abomination… Collins is their only other legitimate player. Spellman and Huerter will be nice role players in 3-5 years.

Jason
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Jason
1 month 11 days ago

The Bucks are nasty. Coach Bud was a huge upgrade over Kidd. He starts Brogdon & Bledsoe and moves Middleton to SF. Makes them less vulnerable to penetration with two quicker guards instead of Snell & Middleton on the wing.

Plus, Bledsoe, Brogdon, and Middleton can all create some off the bounce, while Snell cannot (more of a spot up guy). And Lopez can still dominate smaller guys in the post & generate looks/doubles if you want to post him. Or you can post Giannis. Middleton is also good shooting over smalls.

JOHN B
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JOHN B
1 month 11 days ago

Yep. Bud really has greatly improved/fit the perfect offensive system to his personnel with two different teams now. He overachieved with Atlanta and has unlocked the Bucks on both sides. Their p and r coverage makes sense for their personnel.

That is the definition of great coaching adapting. Pop has done it his whole career. Even though he might not like the current offensive style of the league, he was a major part in creating it. Compare those teams sets to his early 2000s teams sets and wowser. Now he has midrange guys so that is how they play. I am sure he would have loved to keep Kawhi, but he is doing what he has to with Derozan.

JOHN B
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JOHN B
1 month 11 days ago
Disagree on Lopez, he has to shoot that many threes to space for Giannis. Their completely five out offense is why their offense has gone to from 7th in efficiency last year to second this year. Give Giannis that much space and they are deadly on offense as long as they make their threes. They are prone to variance of course because like every other team, but GS they don’t have 3 out of the best 10 shooters in the league in their starting lineup. Their net efficiency bodes well for sustainable success in the playoffs. But of course everything depends on how much teams dare Middleton, Bledsoe, Brogdon, and Lopez to shoot open shots in order to shade towards Giannis and whether those four can make teams pay for shading if they do cheat off those four. If those four can’t punish teams, then they are very vulnerable to the other top teams in the east. But they also have an absolutely elite defense with Giannis and those four guys. They have beat Toronto both times this year, once by 15 without Kawhi, recently by 5 at Toronto when they had everyone. They lost a close one in Boston… Read more »
JOHN B
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JOHN B
1 month 11 days ago

Three of their losses have been close ones to the dregs of the league. I put less stock in those losses than losses and wins against the elite teams. They have done pretty well against Raptors, GS, Denver, Boston, Portland, and Indiana. I think they have a high ceiling in that they can compete against every elite team and often win. They also may have a lower floor than a team like Philly which has three guys that can kill you individually, but Philly may be a good matchup for them if they can pull Embiid away from the paint. Boston may be a bad matchup because Boston is a great defensive team in that they can switch everything, play small, and space the floor if they reach their potential. However we will have to see how the rest of those games play out. They lost a very close one in Boston. They have proven they can beat Toronto at least in the regular season. In other words, I don’t think there is a clear favorite with Toronto, the bucks, or maybe Boston if they reach their potential.

TV63
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TV63
1 month 11 days ago

Is Curry following Kyrie’s brain pattern on solar system issues?? LoL I guess the Moon Landing was fake now. We were all duped.

Jason
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Jason
1 month 11 days ago

It makes it so much easier to not care about anything either of them says when they show themselves to be complete dum@$$es.

NOMAD
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NOMAD
1 month 11 days ago

AGREE WITH JASON ON AGING / TRADEABLE VETS —GOING TO EXTRA CAUTIOUS WITH THEM AS NOT TO REINJURE / LOSE TRADE VALUE

Jason
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Jason
1 month 11 days ago

Rumors (Marc Stein) have Rockets interested in JR Smith. Others have them shopping Brandon Knight.

What do you guys think of a swap centeted on JR/Knight? Salaries match. Knight is $15 mil for next year then a UFA. Hasn’t played much/at all in the last 1.5 years due to injury. Reclaimation project? Though Houston meeds a backup PG as well. Houston has their own 1sts but 2nds in 2019 & 2020 are spoken for.

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Warriorsfan
1 month 11 days ago

George Hill got Cavs some pieces, may be Knight will get some pieces too if he plays well. The problem if Brandon Knight plays well, Cavs might like to keep him unlike Celtics who traded Isaiah anyway or like Suns who used cap space to sign Ariza and now will probably net them a late first round pick using Ariza as leverage. Better to accumulate tradeable assets, turn them to picks, My 2 cents.(I was so used to visit CTB frequently, old habits die hard and now and then I visit the site).

JOHN B
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JOHN B
1 month 11 days ago

Maybe he nets some assets as an expiring the year after next. I don’t see him as a legit reclamation project though. Would be nice to dupe Morey into a first to still be capped out. I think Morey is too smart to gamble that he can move more pieces to sign someone in the 2019 offseason. JR is certainly not the answer to their issues this year.

John B
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John B
1 month 11 days ago

Unfortunately I don’t think JR will pull a first. I don’t really want Knight much. Certainly not to a long term deal. Maybe a one year to prove himself.

Nate Smith
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1 month 11 days ago

Jr could pull a first if they eat knight’s salary.

JOHN B
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JOHN B
1 month 11 days ago

For one year of 15 million? That isn’t that much salary eating. Even if they dump Knight they still have -15 million in practical cap space with everyone that is guaranteed for 2019-2020.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/houston-rockets/cap/2019/

At least that is the picture I get. Will still have something like 115 to 120 million in guaranteed contracts. Around 6-10 million over the projected cap.

JOHN B
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JOHN B
1 month 11 days ago

Not sure that would be worth it to them to give up a first is my point.

Jason
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Jason
1 month 11 days ago

Yeah. We gotta get something extra for eating an $11 million sandwich next year.

Unless we are real Bullish on Knight playing well enough to get us something next year or being a piece going forward, which makes no sense given his injury history.

Does Houston have a prospect we might be interested in?

JOHN B
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JOHN B
1 month 11 days ago

I get we have to get something, but I am just unsure Morey gives up a first to still be capped out.

NOMAD
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NOMAD
1 month 11 days ago

YEAH TOUGH LUCK FOR T.T. / HE WAS ENGAGED / PLAYING HIS BEST BALL/ ALL STAR NUMBERS —-2-4 WEEKS –AND AS I MENTIONED EARLIER HOW WILL THE TIME OFF AFFECT HIS PLAY WHEN HE RETURNS —–FULL “ZION ” TANK MODE ————–IF ANOTHER TEAM CAME UP WITH A TREMEDOUS OFFER RIGHT NOW FOR T.T. / DO YOU MAKE THE TRADE ?

Nate Smith
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1 month 11 days ago

Yes. I Make the trade.

JOHN B
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JOHN B
1 month 11 days ago

What is a tremendous offer? A first without protections from a contender yes. A first with some 1-10 protections from a borderline contender yes. I just don’t think we get that for him.

scotch
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scotch
1 month 11 days ago

I’m sad for TT just from the possibility he was going to get real looks from other teams if he kept up his play, but I’m kinda glad we get to go full on Nance for the next month. I want that guy to get as many touches as possible.

John B
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John B
1 month 11 days ago

Welp. TT out 2-4 weeks.

TV63
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TV63
1 month 11 days ago

It’s being reported that TT is out 2-4 weeks. Oooh Boy, going to be a rough 2 weeks for the Cavs

Jason
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Jason
1 month 11 days ago

Could be 4. I would expect us, like all tanking/rebuilding teams, to be cautious with injured vets. Especially here. Why?

4 weeks puts TT back mid-Jan. Right around when Love is targeting. Assuming we’d like at least a brief look at what we have at full strength for a week or two before the trade deadline, if we rush TT back & he hurts it again that window may nit happen.

Sad for TT. Gonna be a rough month. Good news for project Zion.

TV63
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TV63
1 month 11 days ago

I’m not rushing him but I do agree in this podcast that he might rush it. He has a thing with embracing “The Iron Man”

MikeO
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MikeO
1 month 11 days ago

Good for the tank project, anyway…too bad, he was playing well…

JRL
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JRL
1 month 11 days ago

The road to Zion will be a treacherous one filled with many trials and tribulations.

NOMAD
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NOMAD
1 month 11 days ago

DELLY WITH SOLID STAT LINE —11/4/2 –16 MIN’S—WELCOME BACK DELLY !!!

JRL
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JRL
1 month 11 days ago

We need that from everyone on the team.

NOMAD
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NOMAD
1 month 11 days ago

MAN –(WITH ALL THE INJURIES / BOTH TEAMS )—–CAVS AND NUGGETS SHOULD JOIN FORCES —OUCH !!—-ANY WORD ON HOW LONG T.T. MIGHT BE OUT / WILL THIS AFECT HOW HE HAS BEEN PLAYING WHEN HE COMES BACK ?

NOMAD
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NOMAD
1 month 11 days ago

AFTER WATCHING THE REPLAY– ( ACTUALLY DURING )– I GOT ALL “BUCKED ” UP—–TAKE AWAY DELLY / LNJ / T.T. EVEN BLOSSOMGAME —ALL OTHER PLAYERS PRETTY WELL STUNK IT UP ……..JASON GOOD PT ON PLAYERS PLAYING FOR CONTRACTS / PLAYING FOR THEMSELVES —–BUT IF I AM A GOOD G.M. I NOTICE THESE THINGS —“STUFFED STATS ” SHOULD BE OVERLOOKED ——–LOOK AT THE TRUE VALUE OF A PLAYER

Jason
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Jason
1 month 11 days ago

One bad thing about having so many guys who are playing fir contracts/trades (Hood, Burks, Jones, Blossomgame) is that sometimes they play for themselves rather than the team. The 2 way guys stayed in their lane, and Blossomgame was outstanding.

Simmo
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Simmo
1 month 11 days ago

You can challenge me to a drinking contest Nate. I might even fly over for it…

Simmo
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Simmo
1 month 11 days ago

We can discuss all things Douglas Adams while we are at it (my wife is 42 also).

Nate Smith
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1 month 11 days ago

Awesome! I’m sure you could drink me under the table. I can’t do hard alcohol.

Phil Hubbard
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Phil Hubbard
1 month 11 days ago
TV63
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TV63
1 month 11 days ago

That was funny… Still can’t get use to Lebron wearing those colors.

JMay
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1 month 11 days ago

It’s gross. And unlike Nate and EG, I am not over throwing shade at ‘Bron yet. It’s the LAKERS.

Phil Hubbard
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Phil Hubbard
1 month 11 days ago

It’s not gross. Didn’t get him in the boys (though it came close), and Olynyk popped right back up.

TV63
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TV63
1 month 11 days ago

Exactly, no one was working for a better shot. It was like watching mindless robots in a very bad video game.

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