Podcap: Oklahoma City 96, Cleveland 86 (or, Milquetoast Motivators)

After trailing by as much as 16 in the early third quarter, Cleveland came all the way back to lead by two with six minutes left. OKC rallied to hold the wine and gold to just four points for the rest of the game while Dennis Schöder scored seven down the stretch to bring the Thunder the win. The umlaut finished with a game high 28 points on 19 shots and joined the human wall, Steven Adams, in going +20 from the floor.

The shorthanded Cavs were even more shorthanded as Cedi Osman left early with back spasms never to return, yet they fought valiantly, with Jordan Clarkson going for a near triple double with an 11/9/8 line and Ante Zizic coming off the bench for 10 points and nine boards in just 16 minutes. The Cavs fell in love with threes late, and it took them out of their offense as the tried to hit home runs instead of doubles, and they just couldn’t hit them. Clarkson and Smith each went 5-17 and a combined 4-18 from three.

A couple of those drop and this was a different ballgame. On the bright side, Collin Sexton got extensive playing time in his first start in George Hill’s absence, and logged almost 42 minutes. Sexton finished with 15/2/1 and three turnovers. He finished well, with great left handed finishes on both sides of the basket, but got abused by Schöder and was hesitant in his shot and also left guys in terrible positions by giving them the ball with just a few seconds remaining on the shot clock and no clear options.

Tom Pestak and Nate smith hopped into the podcast booth to discuss the Thunder loss, the overall NBA, the disaster that was Monday’s collapse against Orlando, and the guys the Cavs could’ve drafted instead of Sexton. We also hit on a lot of “get off my lawn” topics with rants on punditry, horrible headlines, clickbait, and the mind numbing blandness of linked-in and its mind-numbingly milquetoast motivational memes. It seemed like a metaphor for how the Cavs are competing: saying all the right thing while nothing really changes.

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Simmo
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9 days 3 hours ago

Hey before the next thread opens and all this is lost – I just wanted to repeat: I clearly saw Kyrie call for, and USE, a screen in Q4 tonight.

Maybe it really is all about effective coaching /s

Simmo
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Simmo
9 days 3 hours ago

When I say “tonight” I obviously mean “last night” for most of you and this morning for me ;)

danz
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danz
9 days 3 hours ago

Hmm, I wonder how Kyrie feels about leaving Cleveland. Has anyone asked him about this?

Simmo
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Simmo
9 days 3 hours ago

I think he’s hurting badly, but he’ll never say it.

danz
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danz
9 days 3 hours ago

Damn, got to give him credit.

Simmo
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Simmo
9 days 3 hours ago

Seriously though – just imagine his stat line if he came back. Never have to play D again.

CLF
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CLF
9 days 10 hours ago

The Bucks’ collective length on defense was so problematic for GSW tonight…. that’s the key to their ability to beat good teams…. you can’t just pass it all over the court against them.

Scotch
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Scotch
9 days 10 hours ago

interesting. bucks might be the real deal.

MikeO
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MikeO
9 days 9 hours ago

I think they definitely are, if ‘real deal’ means they can get to Finals. I still favor Raptors, but Bucks would be second, Celtics third.

CLF
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CLF
9 days 11 hours ago

Seems that hiring Budenholzer is paying off for Milwaukee.

JOHN B
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JOHN B
9 days 5 hours ago

Funny how much impact coaching has

MikeO
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MikeO
9 days 11 hours ago

Yeah….they look like one of the best three teams in the East, with a great shot at the finals…

CLF
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CLF
9 days 11 hours ago

WOW…. BUCKS ARE DOMINATING.

CLF
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CLF
9 days 11 hours ago

Having Bledsoe and Brogdon is a smart move…. love the dual combo guard backcourt.

MikeO
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MikeO
9 days 12 hours ago

64-51 Bucks at half…Bucks look good…

John B
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John B
9 days 12 hours ago

GS cold from three or are the bucks smothering them? Also what scheme are they using? Drop backs on p and r or something different this game?

MikeO
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MikeO
9 days 12 hours ago

Only Klay has been hitting threes…not sure on schemes, I have been doing other stuff and watching when able…pretty clear that Bray not playing hurts their spacing…

CLF
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CLF
9 days 12 hours ago

Giannis ridiculous… PAT CONNAUGHTON balling out here! Wanted the Cavs to draft him back a few years ago… Think we got stuck with SirDominic Pointer and Rakeem Christmas instead.

MikeO
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MikeO
9 days 12 hours ago

He looks good…

CLF
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CLF
9 days 12 hours ago

He just needs confidence in his shot…. he’s like a more athletic, better defending Joe Harris.

MikeO
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MikeO
9 days 12 hours ago

Bucks up 15, about a minute to half…

Simmo
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Simmo
9 days 12 hours ago

Celts-Suns game is pretty great watching

MikeO
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MikeO
9 days 12 hours ago

Bucks up 12 Giannis shooting fts

MikeO
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MikeO
9 days 12 hours ago

Bucks up 11…

MikeO
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MikeO
9 days 12 hours ago

Bledsoe dicing Dubs off of drives…

Simmo
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Simmo
9 days 12 hours ago

Great pass by Kyrie to Morris, hits it – overtime.

MikeO
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MikeO
9 days 12 hours ago

OT for Celtics- Suns?

MikeO
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MikeO
9 days 12 hours ago

Off a Morris three…gross

MikeO
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MikeO
9 days 12 hours ago

Bucks up 7 after a Giannis dunk..

Simmo
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Simmo
9 days 12 hours ago

Hey, Kyrie just used a screen!

MikeO
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MikeO
9 days 12 hours ago

97-9 Suns 58 seconds left…

JOHN B
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JOHN B
9 days 12 hours ago

Was looking at the box score and was curious to see how Josh Jackson is doing in his second season. So…..Josh Jackson has a PER of 2.37. 2.37. In his sophomore season. Think we dodged a bullet not trading for him.

MikeO
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MikeO
9 days 12 hours ago

He’s not having a good year so far, but I still like him

John B
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John B
9 days 12 hours ago

Only Suns game I have watched was against the Mavs. Feel like he looked ok then. Wonder how he is defensively. That was supposed to be his big draw.

MikeO
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MikeO
9 days 12 hours ago

97-92, 43 seconds.

MikeO
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MikeO
9 days 12 hours ago

Giannis is ridiculous…

MikeO
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MikeO
9 days 12 hours ago

Suns still up 92-80 on Celtics, around 4 minutes left.

MikeO
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MikeO
9 days 12 hours ago

Middleton is one of the most underrated scorers in the NBA…he is nails…

Simmo
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Simmo
9 days 13 hours ago

Kyrie deferring to Morris with the game on the line. Amusing.

MikeO
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MikeO
9 days 13 hours ago

Is that the dumb Morris, or is it the other one?

MikeO
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MikeO
9 days 13 hours ago

NOMAD
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NOMAD
9 days 13 hours ago

YESSSSSSSSS!!!!!—-GO SUNS

MikeO
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MikeO
9 days 13 hours ago

48-28 Suns close to half…

MikeO
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MikeO
9 days 13 hours ago

55-35 at half. President Stevens may need to engage his massive brain.

MikeO
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MikeO
9 days 14 hours ago

Thunder pounding the Rockets. Guess all those folks burying the Thunder were a bit premature…

MikeO
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MikeO
9 days 14 hours ago

Suns up on Celtics 25-12 early in the first, but they’ll still lose by 20…

Arch Stanton
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Arch Stanton
9 days 14 hours ago

I hope Booker hunts for 50 to agitate the flat earther

MikeO
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MikeO
9 days 14 hours ago

Hope his 50th is a long two at the buzzer with the Suns up 5…

MikeO
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MikeO
9 days 14 hours ago

Err, late in the first, I mean…

NOMAD
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NOMAD
9 days 15 hours ago

THAT IS MY BIG CONCERN ALSO !!!!!

John B
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John B
9 days 15 hours ago

Hopefully he has LeBron like knees and joints.

NOMAD
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NOMAD
9 days 15 hours ago

NICE MOTTO __” TRYIN FOR ZION —–REALLY NOT LYIN (G) “

Arch Stanton
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Arch Stanton
9 days 14 hours ago

Dying for Zion!

JOHN B
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JOHN B
9 days 15 hours ago

Really really really unfortunate the lottery changes begin this year. Not only do the odds go down for the top teams. The lottery now includes picks 1-4 instead of 1-3. Watch four teams with better records get the four lottery picks.

MikeO
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MikeO
9 days 15 hours ago

It sucks, but the Cavs look like they are in fantastic position…

John B
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John B
9 days 14 hours ago

About the three spot odds every year, not terrible. About 1 in 6 for number one. Thankfully there are two guys that look like surefire superstars. Just need a top two, though Reddish looks good too. Someone else may pop up as a top tier guy this season, who knows.

John B
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John B
9 days 14 hours ago

every year previously

MikeO
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MikeO
9 days 16 hours ago

Arch Stanton
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Arch Stanton
9 days 14 hours ago

Felt like the season was lost after the first week, so this doesn’t feel like much of a blow.

Simmo
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Simmo
9 days 13 hours ago

Yeah. The only thing that really bugs me is all the idiots who say hey look how crap you are without Lebron. Like that’s the only difference.

John B
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John B
9 days 2 hours ago

Yes it is aggravating. Old school uninformed mentality.

MikeO
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MikeO
9 days 16 hours ago

Not tryin’ for Zion.

MikeO
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MikeO
9 days 16 hours ago

Good game tonight, Bucks at GS, 2230e on TNT. Should get a good idea of where the Bucks stand.

Scotch
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Scotch
9 days 16 hours ago

Not really…isnt draymond out?

MikeO
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MikeO
9 days 16 hours ago

Is he? Even so, it’ll give a good measure.

JOHN B
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JOHN B
9 days 14 hours ago

Should be interesting to see how their d handles another 5 out offense. They have been great defensively this year since Bud instituted a more traditional conservative drop back scheme for the p and r with Lopez and their other bigs dropping back and their ballhandler defenders fighting hard over and around screens. Read Boston gave them some issues with a spread offense.

Could be exposed by gs which would make sense since I am not sure you can really drop back on p and rs against that team. Wonder if bud will hedge and trap some this game and even mix in some switching.

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9 days 16 hours ago

THE ONLY CONCERN WITH ZION —-WILL ACTUALLY 2 CONCERNS ARE ——1)—-HE IS 285 LBS @ THE AGE OF 18—–IS HE GOING TO GET BIGGER / ABLE TO CONTROL THE WEIGHT …….2)–CONSISTENT OUTSIDE SHOT —–THE NBA AS WE ALL KNOW HAS BECOME A 3 PT SHOOTING LEAGUE—EVEN THE BIGS HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SOMEWHAT HIT THE SHOT ON CONSISTENT BASIS ——-YEAH OTHERWISE HE IS A STUD ——POSSIBLY “TRANSCENDENT ‘ TYPE OF PLAYER

MikeO
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9 days 16 hours ago

I have concerns (although I don’t believe he’s really 280 or 285lbs), but right now he looks like a guy who could be a legit superstar in the NBA if he reaches his potential. I’m willing to take that chance, assuming he gets through the season healthy, etc.

JOHN B
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9 days 16 hours ago
Oh I think he is probably 275. He was weighed at 282 this summer in team USA. He legit looks 15-20 pounds heavier than LBJ ever was. Btw, LBJ was never 270. 260 max. He came in at 240, maybe. Even in his Miami days he didn’t look anywhere near as big in his upper body or legs as Zion does. Zion probably carries a bit of extra weight in his core, but he is by no means fat. He literally looks like an NFL defensive end in terms of his bulk. The weight is a concern. Certainly if he doesn’t have a good diet he might get back to where he was this summer. I am not as concerned with that. What I am concerned is that even at his in shape playing weight right now, 270-275 is a huge amount of weight for the knees of someone that likely has the highest vertical in nba history. I am more concerned at his longevity. The sky could be the limit for him as far as his ceiling for his peak. But that peak could be shorter than most just based on the strain he puts on his knees with… Read more »
MikeO
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MikeO
9 days 16 hours ago

Yeah, I agree probably 275. Also agree that knees etc are a concern, but those are chances I take.

JOHN B
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JOHN B
9 days 15 hours ago

Don’t get me wrong I would draft him in a heartbeat. Just stating my biggest worry with him. Barrett may be the safer pick though and I would take him in a heartbeat too. But yeah, as far as I am concerned, Zion is the pick I would take unless something changes. He might be better than Barrett right now and he has a higher ceiling. I mean you really couldn’t possibly play better as a freshmen in his first game than he did. Has to be the best debut by a freshmen in 40+ years, though I wasn’t around to see Wilt or Kareems college debut.

JMay
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9 days 4 hours ago

My choice is Barrett. More well-rounded, better shooter.

John B
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John B
9 days 2 hours ago
Better shooter, but not sure how bad of a shooter Zion is yet. His shot has been better at Duke and he shot and made both the long js he took with confidence including one three and a step back 20 footer. Not sure RJ is a better passer. Handled the ball way more than anyone else that first game, so had had more opportunities for assists, but I am not convinced he is a better passer. Zion has some special vision for finding guys on cuts, drive and dish, in the open court, and off kickouts. Some of the half court passes he makes are ones that very few guys have the vision or timing for. That on the move bounce pass on the break he made between two defenders in tight spacing and right into barrets streaking hands is an elite point guard level pass. I actually think in terms of effectiveness at getting where they need to go, they are both about equal in ballhandling since Zion dribbles so low. Defensively you have to give the edge to a guy like Zion. He can stay in front of smaller players, can’t get pushed off his spot, and… Read more »
MikeO
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MikeO
9 days 19 hours ago

I’m all in for Zion, pending further info gathered as the season progresses.

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buck turgidson
9 days 18 hours ago

from that perspective, 7-75 should do the trick.. we need another obvious #1 #1.. anything more difficult appears to be beyond the cavs front office

NOMAD
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NOMAD
9 days 20 hours ago

HEY NATE THAT DRAFT INFO WAS GREAT—–MAN IF I GET TO CANTON FOR A CHARGE GAME—-BEERS ARE ON ME THANKS !!!

NOMAD
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NOMAD
9 days 21 hours ago

EVIL LMAO——WHO IS THE DRAFT GURU HERE ——-WAS POSTED RECENTLY THAT THE NBA HAS CHANGED THE DRAFT RULES THIS YEAR—COULD POTENTIALLY HURT THE CAVS CHANCES –( EVEN IF THEY FINISH WITH THE WORST RECORD ) –OF THE TOP PICKS—WHAT ARE THE RULE CHANGES —– HOW MUCH COULD IT TAKE US OUT OF THE TOP 2 PICKS—OR EVEN THE TOP 5 PICKS—–THANKS IN ADVANCE OF ANYONE EDUCATING ME (US ) ON THIS

EvilGenius
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9 days 23 hours ago

MikeO
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MikeO
9 days 23 hours ago

That would be hilariously hideous.

NOMAD
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NOMAD
9 days 23 hours ago

JUST BRING BACK THE “WORL B FREE ” AL L ORANGE—DON’T THINK THEY WORE THEM ONCE LAST YEAR—THEY ALWAYS PLAY BETTER IN ALL ORANGE —MAYBE HALF ORANGE WILL BE A SLIGHT IMPROVEMENT

NOMAD
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NOMAD
9 days 23 hours ago

WOW LOOKING AT THOSE NEW JERSEYS —EITHER I HAD TOO MANY ADULT BEVERAGES ……OR I NEED TO START CONSUMING MORE –I WILL PICK THE LATTER !! : )

Arch Stanton
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10 days 11 minutes ago

EvilGenius
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10 days 42 minutes ago

New City threads…

Cedi Mind Tricks
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Cedi Mind Tricks
9 days 22 hours ago

Nike fell off…they really don’t understand how to make a timeless jersey…its sad.

JMay
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10 days 22 minutes ago

Silly me for not expecting the replacement to be WORSE than the grey ones…

CLF
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CLF
9 days 22 hours ago

No way… these are definitely better than smog/soot grey IMO…. these aren’t the best, but they aren’t the worst either IMO.

NOMAD
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NOMAD
10 days 1 hour ago

SIMMO —THANKS ——-I BELIEVE YOU ARE FROM AUSTRALIA CORRECT —–MY SON WAS INVITED TO COMPETE THERE ABOUT 10 YRS AGO —RUNNING / NATIONAL HIGH SCOOL CHAMPIONS—SPENT 3 WEEKS IN AUSTRALIA– ( I WAS UPPOSED TO GO WITH HIM AS A COACH —COULDN’T SWING GETTING OFF FROM WORK )——-HAD A GREAT TIME THERE —-NOTHING BUT POSITIVE TO SAY ABOUT AUSTRALIA ———WILL DISCUSS THE “RESPECT PART ” WITH THE MRS NOMAD ;)

Simmo
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Simmo
9 days 16 hours ago

Yes mate, it’s a helluva long trip but we’ll treat you well when you get here!

NOMAD
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NOMAD
10 days 1 hour ago

GO SAC KINGS —BIG FAN –GOING FORWARD —–IS TY “HIDING” ON LAKERS BENCH–SEE LA-BRON PLAYED 40 MIN’S AGAIN LAST NIGHT ——————NOMAD/ OLD………..MRS NOMAD / YOUNG ……………..SEX INFREQUENT —BIG AGE DISCRIMINATION CASE AGAINST HER !!!!! : )

Simmo
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Simmo
10 days 1 hour ago

Nomad your posts give me hope for your country and people. The passion is strong! Just encourage Mrs Nomad to respect her elders.

danz
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danz
10 days 4 hours ago

So attorney weighing in. The Boylan Complaint states damages in the amount of $25,000 or more. That ‘or more’ is the important part of the damages claim. Basically it leaves the amount open to be determined in the future, so it very well could be $1,000,000. The reason the $25,000 is included is because there is a damages threshold that a person has to meet for the case to be filed in Cuyahoga County Common Pleas Court. If they did not include the $25,000, the Cavs could try and move the case to a Municipal Court.

Also, that voicemail from Lue is cringe worthy. He basically gives Boylan a smoking gun and has it on audio.

MattC
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5 days 1 hour ago

Another lawyer here, albeit late to the party. The other aspect of the “in excess of $25K” request is that the Ohio court rules say that in most cases, plaintiffs can’t include in their complaints (the document that the claims) a specific monetary amount if they intend to seek more than $25K. If that’s the case (as it usually is), you have to say you’re seeking more than $25K and leave it at that.

The idea is to deter plaintiffs and aggressive plaintiffs’ lawyers from including outrageous amounts in their initial court filing just to intimidate or to gin up publicity for their suit.

MattC
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5 days 1 hour ago

*(the document that states the claims)

Tom Pestak
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10 days 3 hours ago
So when an NBA team claims to want to get younger, and cuts/sheds/deals veteran players, isn’t that age discrimination? I get that there is a huge difference between how age would affect a coaches’ ability to do his or her job versus a player, so how are rules against “age discrimination” enforced? Age can absolutely be a detriment to someone being able to do a job productively. Can my Dad apply for a job as the social media curator for a tech company and sue them for age discrimination when they realize he’s too old to write ridiculous tweets that for some God forsaken reason are paramount to our culture? He’s not actually told old to functionally do that job – he posts his share of facebook memes. Problem is, when he opines on things like the Browns or politics he doesn’t use emojis or improper grammar or irony for irony’s sake. In short, he’s not “hip” – which sounds like ageism to me. On this note, how does any of this stuff get enforced? I’ve never seen a dude in a makeup commercial. Why not? Why can’t I just tell you that: “Yo, ladies, trust me this stuff will… Read more »
danz
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danz
10 days 2 hours ago
I think age discrimination happens pretty often, the answer to the question of why cases are not brought more often is twofold; 1) finding a motivated plaintiff; and 2) getting enough evidence to show age discrimination happened. It is pretty difficult to find people who are willing to deal with the hassle of going through the courts against a company that typically has more resources to devote to a case. As such, many cases of age discrimination go under the radar because the person doesn’t want to pursue it, or didn’t know their rights and that age discrimination is illegal. As to the second point, like with the dollar amount threshold I discussed before, there is also an evidentiary threshold you need to meet in your complaint in order for the Court to move forward with the case. As such, it is not merely enough to suspect that age discrimination happened to file a Complaint. Rather, you need to have some type of evidence to show discrimination was likely occurring (whether statistics that show that the company has not hired a person over a certain age in a position, or emails or statements from persons within the company). In addition,… Read more »
danz
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danz
10 days 2 hours ago

[Continued]

Like I said before, usually evidence in an age discrimination case is more circumstantial (conversations between a boss and employee, off hand comments (we would like to get younger), etc.) As such, the Company can try and say that though someone made ageist comments, it wasn’t a factor in the Company’s decision, and the decision was based on performance or credentials. It can be hard to definitively show that age was a factor in a decision, especially when the Company’s attorneys are trying to obfuscate the facts.

danz
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danz
10 days 2 hours ago

This includes the first class inf Employment Law. Please make sure you read pages 10 – 210 in the textbook for next week.

danz
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danz
10 days 1 hour ago

*concludes

Simmo
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Simmo
10 days 1 hour ago

Is the textbook available on the pirated web? If so I’m all over it.

danz
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danz
10 days 1 hour ago

You can usually find a used one on Amazon for way cheaper.

You can also join my other class: “Defining Bankruptcy – Am I bankrupt, broke, or having Financial Difficulties?”

Simmo
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10 days 2 hours ago

I’m curious too, but I think the NBA would have all of this stuff fairly carefully delineated, given the churn in the industry. It would be a pretty poor lawyer (ie Boylan’s) to push this case if it were going to be a slam dunk for the employer. But I’m assuming.

How does it get enforced? In court.

JOHN B
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JOHN B
10 days 5 hours ago

Mike Malone has been credited for the improvement (relative to what they had been) in those Mike Brown teams’ offensive creativity. Think the story was he basically ran the offense.

CLF
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CLF
10 days 8 hours ago

Nate, it’s called “Porkopolis” (i’m a native).

CLF
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CLF
10 days 8 hours ago

NATE!!! Man in the High Castle!!! YES!!!

MikeO
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MikeO
10 days 10 hours ago

Also, every sane person is pulling for the Kings so the freaking Celtics don’t get a super high draft pick in next year’s draft. I’m a huge Kings fan.

MikeO
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MikeO
10 days 10 hours ago

Still listening, but I doubt Cavs had a realistic chance at trading up to get Doncic. I was hoping for that on draft night, but I just don’t see it. I don’t care what Vardon thinks.

JOHN B
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JOHN B
10 days 5 hours ago

Same. Don’t remember the details of Vardon’s story, but I said the other day maybe there was some framework worked out. However, I think a likely scenario is that the Hawks pulled out after The Godfather offer from the Mavs. Just no way the cavs could compete with that.

Simmo
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Simmo
10 days 10 hours ago

The pain in your voice in acknowledging Jordan Clarkson played a good game was real and hilarious Nate.

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