Recap: Denver 110, Cleveland 91 (or, “A four! A four! My Kingdom for a four!”)

After jumping on the Nuggets with a 27-15 first quarter, the Cavs got bushwacked. Denver turned the tables in the second, outscoring the Cavs 35-15, and then put the game away in the third. Juancho Jernangomez, who’d been inactive the night before, finished with 23 points and five triples for the Nuggets who looked a couple of orders of magnitude better as a team than Atlanta. The Cavs have a long way to go to approach the level of basketball that Denver is playing, and this game had a Richard III sense of impending doom about it.

Running diary here. Let’s get started in the the First Quarter.

12:00 Jokic looks enormous next to TT and easily wins the tip. Nikola and Tristan trade hook shots. Good to see Thompson with an early aggressive make.

10:20 George Hill passes up a trey on one possession then isos for a triple over the Joker from the right wing that bounces around and drops in. For those of you keeping track at home, George is far and away the Cavs’ most efficient scorer right now.

9:07 Around the horn twice before a Hood miss, but TT, follows with a soft slam! Lots of offensive rebounds early for the Cavs

8:45 Hill to the hole for two more! Jokic looks gassed already.

8:35 Cavs doing a great job of fronting the post and forcing turnovers by playing the passing lanes. Sam Dekker in particular is selling out to stop the entry pass to Jokic in the post. The Nuggets settle for a triple try that clanks, and after a broken possession, Cedi swishes a left wing 3-ball. Timeout Nuggets, 12-4 Cavs! All praise the scheduling Gods!

8:20 Adam silver in the house! He’s sitting with Fred and A.C. talking about the all star game. I can’t hear him cause he’s so monotone, and my wife and daughter are taunting the dog. Also, if that whole commissioner thing doesn’t work out, Silver could put babies to sleep for a living. The dog is quiet… His voice… is… sooo soft and monotone…. Adam, come sing me a lullaby…

6:30 Two quick Nuggets buckets due to bad closeouts wakes me from my slumber.

5:40 Hill with another strong start as he passes to Tristan for an easy p/r finish against a listless Denver D.

4:40 TT sits in a fans lap after diving for a loose ball. Courtside in Cleveland: the best $30 you’ll ever spend.

3:55 Thompson really rolling hard tonight with the Cavs looking for him. Looks like they got the memo no one is guarding him. On the other end, no Cav may have benefited more from Lue’s departure than Sam Dekker. He’s playing like a man possessed on D…  Gary Harris lulls him into a foul though.

3:10 Nance steals in transition, and Collin passes up a WIDE OPEN left corner triple to step in and brick his second straight left baseline J. I do not like Avery Johnson the coach, I do not like Avery Johnson the player (who used to pass up threes just like this all day). I do not like him on a boat, I would not like him with a goat (even Tim Duncan). I do not like Avery Johnson.

2:20 Cavs just picked up their fifth steal. It’s a combo of a fatigued Denver squad, and active hands on D. The ball goes into Clarkson in the post. We know it’s not coming out, but fortunately it goes in.

0:25 Cavs doing SUCH a good job of finding the roll man tonight. Cedi and Larry run that two man game to set up Osman for a top of the key 3-ball!

0:00 Sexton steals the post-entry and whips it ahead to Cedi who just misses, but that’s six steals for the Cavs and a monster 27-15 quarter! When’s the last time the Cavs held anyone to 15 in 12 minutes!?

2nd Quarter

11:40 Sexton drives and throws it into the seats next to Larry Drew. Korver hurdles the rich guys teying to get the save! Whoa. Dude still has his the hops. Hope wrslthy paid full price for the opportunity to be a human high jump bar.

11:14 Cavs coaching staff must’ve seen something on film about the way Denver guards the p/r, cause they are hitting the roller every time. Nance gets two freebies from Korver because of it. Can’t remember the last time I complimented the Cavs’ staff.

10:20 Jamal Murray gets to the rack to cut it to eight after Junior blows a bunny and its putback. Timeout, Larry Drew. Good timing, coach.

9:53 Clarkson throws one against the side of the basket. Hernangomez splashes a three. Jordan’s as infuriating as J.R. with a quarter of the heart…

8:30 Hernangomez hits Jordan in the face after Clarkson strips him at the wing (should’ve been a clear path). Juancho knocks JC’s contact out, and Clarkson picks it up and puts it right back in. Guh-ross. Now I know where his tunnel vision comes from.

7:11 A Beasley 3-ball cuts the Cavs lead to 1. The Clarkson back court is bleeding points. Go figure.

7:00 Jordan climbs Trey Lyles’ back for a putback and1. Nice hustle!

6:10 Cedi misses George Hill all alone in the corner to commit another egregious turnover, leading to a pair of Juancho Hernangomez freebies. Is there a better first name than Juancho? I think not. He’s got eight.

5:00 Lyles posts up Hill to tie it up at 38 after another empty Cavs possession. I do not like this feeling.

4:19 George Hill saves a possession, but Cedi gets it stripped for the umpteenth time.  He follows it up on the next possession with another TO trying to go behind the back. Come on, Osman. Stop trying to do too much.

3:00 Sam Dekker throws up a left wing trey that has no chance. Juancho cashes on the other end with his third three ball – part of an 11-2 run before Drew calls time out two possessions too late.

1:55 Rodney 0-7 Hood bricks from the right baseline. A possession later Cedi goes coast to coast 1-on-3 to whap the ball off the backboard without hitting iron. WTF, Cedi.

1:00 Denver leads by NINE after a Harris and-1. Everyone going one-on-one for Cleveland, and the defense is hanging everyone else out to dry. This quarter is a disaster. If you’re keeping track at home, this is a 21 point swing.

0:21 after a mid-range clanker, Sexton throws it away for two more Denver points.

0:00 NANCE! with a putback of the inevitable Clarkson J right before the buzzer. 15 point quarter for Cleveland. 50-42, Denver.

Cleveland really lost their focus after getting a lead. Collin Sexton is doing almost nothing while Rodney Hood hasn’t hit a jumper all night. The Cavs shot 22% in the second. Osman is playing like he thinks he’s LeBron with his body language, with about half the talent. It’s annoying.

Also, Kyle Kover was just planted in the right corner on offense. Seriously, why? RUN THE MAN A FREAKING OFFBALL SCREEN! Kyle played six minutes with no shot attempts. Poor Kyle. Just put him with the starters already so he can get a look (and so I don’t have to watch Sam shoot).

Third Quarter

 

12:00 Huh. Someone gave one of the kids from MTV’s Jersey Shore a coaching gig. Oh, wait, that’s just Longo. EvilGenius’ head explodes from the Longabardi halftime report. I will speak well of you in your memory, EG. Jokic spins and scoops as shot clock expires to put Denver up 10.

10:45 Dekker cannot shoot, Cleveland of course swings it to him on the left wing. Clang.

10:00 Denver has four points off of offensive rebounds already. No one is boxing out. In other news, Rodney Hood is as cold as New Years Eve in Cleveland.

9:46 TT finds a cutting Osman and then cuts to get himself two freebies which he miraculously makes. Murray answers to put diff right back at -10.

7:33 Denver running post offense through Millsap and no one can guard him. He scores six straight while Denver rightfully lays off Thompson and Dekker to stifle the Cavs. Just start Kyle or Nwaba, Cavs! Argh. Nuggs by 14. Timeout. I am cracking beer number three: a Stone Delicious.

7:00 Rodney finally finds water in the desert, but Millsap can’t be guarded. To answer, Dekker runs the floor for two then spins on Paul to at least try some Sasha Pavlovic style “my offense is my defense.” But Denver keeps. getting. buckets. Gary Harris has 11. He’s a witch.

6:00 Cedi to the hole with a left hand hoop and the harm! Cut it to 11, young Turk.

5:25 Paul Millsap again. This Denver team is going to be a bear in the playoffs. Good luck making them, LeBron.

4:40 Harris hits a cutting Tory Craig. Cripes this Denver offense is filthy.

4:00 Monte Morris extends the Denver lead to 16 but George Hill answer. Tory Craig gets another three, after an offensive rebound a play later. In other news, Cleveland cannot buy a whistle.

2:30 Collin Sexton fiddle farts around for a possession and then throws it to Clarkson as the shot clock winds down for a predictable brick. Way to forget the play, Young Bull.

1:55 LARRY! Throws it down for two from Thompson. Have I had one too many beers , or has TT actually been decent this quarter? (Yes.)

1:30 Kyle forces a trey off the dribble in transition. Someone pass him the ball in the half court. For the love of God.  Denver scores it’s 200th point afteran offensive rebound when Harris swishes another three.

0:30 Plumlee pushes the lead to freaking 19. Jordan Clarkson gets two freebies on a pump fake to pad his box score. You’re as empty as a pocket, Jordan. Empty as a pocket with nothing to lose. 17 point lead, Denver.

4th Quarter

11:10 Sexton to Clarkson who finishes a nifty lefty over  Plumlee. Juancho gets a “the refs want to go home” and-1 to push this game to 18.

10:00 Collin Sexton with a pretty move in the open court to get to the rim then pirouettes for two. It was pretty.

On the other end Mason Plumlee gets a continuation when he shoots a hook shot five minutes after the foul. Yup. These refs don’t even want to talk about the possibility of overtime. Fortunately, with the way the Cavs are playing, that’s not really a possibility

9:20 This is easily Collin’s worst game as a Cav. They’re blitzing him in the p/r and he has no answer. All the sudden the Nuggs have a 21 point lead. This disastrous possession ends with what the official stats describe as, “MISS Clarkson 25′ 3PT Jump Bank Shot.”

8:15 Down 23, Kyle Korver takes a charge. That, my friends is the definition of a professional. Someone with championship aspirations pick this guy up.

7:40 Sexton gets smoked on D. Then a turnover leads to a Trey Lyles layup. Denver by 25. Don’t forget Cleveland was up by 12 at one point… Also, don’t forget that the four guys picked after Collin Sexton will probably all be better NBA players (Kevin Knox, Mikal Bridges, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, and Miles Bridges).

6:10 After Plumlee stuffs Nance around the rim. Malik Beasley throws down on Cleveland before Clarkson glides to the rim for his 14th empty point.

5:00 Cedi is 2-6 from 3 while Rodney is 0-3. Jordan also 0-3. At least they’re shooting threes instead of long twos. Nuggets by 26 after yet another Juancho trey. The Nuggets have 51 off the bench. How in God’s name do you have Kevin Love as your starting four, and not have a competent backup four?

4:30 Ante checks in and promptly gets a dunk. If there was a team he could play against you’d think it would be this one with their lumbering (and awesome) starting center. Sadly, ZZ got no love till garbage time. As if to make me look stupid (it’s not hard), Mason Plumlee scores over Ante with a jump hook on the other end.

2:45 Sam Dekker steal and finish. 30 minutes too late, Howdy Doody. Sexton follows it up with a score and foul off an inbounds. Woo hoo.

1:27 Garbage time continues, as does the slow entropy death of the universe

0:45 Sexton cuts it to 16 with a three. Where was that in the first half, Young Bull?

0:30 Juancho cans another three. Goodnight Cleveland. 110-91, Nuggets.

Wrap this one up. Cleveland was completely outclassed, and their bench unit just cannot get stops. Sexton and Clarkson are a disaster together. They rotate poorly and get caught on the high side of every pick, leaving the bigs hopeless. Cleveland should start Sexton, Hill, Rodney (I guess), Cedi, and Nance and just scramble around on D. Bring Kyle off the bench first so he can get some run with some guys who can pass and some floor spacers, then run Clarkson and Thompson together so someone can clean his misses. Put Nwaba with Clarkson. I’m just afraid all Jordan’s bad habits are going to rub off on the Young Bull.

Cleveland held the Joker to four points in 22 minutes and still got waxed. Millsap and Juancho feasted at the power forward spot for 16 and 23 (why they didn’t play Nance and Ante together is beyond me). Denver had 11 o-boards in the second half. How in the hell this team walked into the season without a real plan at the backup four spot given Kevin Love’s injury history, might be Koby Altman’s biggest failure as a GM so far this year (and that’s saying something). They have a 3/4 hybrid in Dekker, and a 4/5 hybrid in Nance. Neither can shoot well enough to keep from clogging the lane, and the Cavs rarely play Nance at the four anyway. Richaun Holmes was out there, Colson was out there. They could’ve drafted Spellman if they hadn’t sent their first to L.A. How did this team not have a plan?

The Cavs were led by Clarkson’s 17 in 20 minutes and Sexton’s 12 on 11 shots (and four turnovers). The spirit of Ricky Davis lives on in the hearts and minds of young NBAers everywhere.

At least we had more J.R. Smith drama late. The crowd chanted his name as garbage time wound down. How inept does Koby Altman look losing a P.R. battle Swish? In other news, the Cavs are being sued by former assistant Jim Boylan for age description. The winter of Koby is coming.

The Wine and Gold travel to Charlotte Saturday, and Orlando Monday. One of the Bridges the Cavs should’ve taken, and Mo Bamba await.

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Arch Stanton
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Arch Stanton
14 days 20 hours ago

Greg Schwartz of BR ripped into Longabardi today on 92.3. “How does this guy still have a job?”

buck turgidson
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buck turgidson
14 days 22 hours ago

embiid 21.. drummond 0 @8:25 in 2nd Q..

MikeO
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NOMAD
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15 days 5 hours ago

TOM THANK YOU FOR THE PICTURE-(OLD SPICE NOMAD )—KIND OF DESCRIBES ME :)——-KIND OF “HISSES ” ME OFF—IAM NOT GETTING ANY ROYALATIES !!

MikeO
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MikeO
15 days 11 hours ago

It’s a race to see who hires Jason Kidd first — Wizards, or the Lakers.

JOHN B
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JOHN B
15 days 9 hours ago

I’ll take a flyer on Walton if the Drew thing doesn’t get settled. Had Rondo and Ingram suspended for about half their games, plus Lonzo coming back, a weird roster, and the biggest thing of all, placating/scrapping a system most of the young guys were familiar with for an LBJ offense for 3/4 of any given game. LA would be nuts to dump him this early. Magic would out himself as a terrible coaching talent evaluator. LA way overachieved last season.

scotch
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scotch
15 days 11 hours ago

is this real or just a running joke? he isn’t a good coach. why would anyone hire him?

MikeO
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MikeO
15 days 8 minutes ago

From me at least, it’s a joke. He sucks. But you can bet your life he’s going to get another job. Better not be the Cavs.

JOHN B
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JOHN B
15 days 10 hours ago

“Player’s coach.” You know like Lue. That may be code for a pushover.

Scotch
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Scotch
15 days 12 hours ago

Cavs probably arent the worst team in the league right now. Amazingly enough, the wizards are probably worse…with much more talent.

buck turgidson
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buck turgidson
15 days 11 hours ago

i would trade the cavs straight up for any other current garbage team in the nba.. especially PHX

scotch
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scotch
15 days 11 hours ago

Buck…reading your posts leads me to believe you’d trade the Cavs roster for any roster in the NCAA.

buck turgidson
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buck turgidson
15 days 10 hours ago

no.. they are a pro team.. they just happen to be the worst, and by a fairly large margin..

scotch
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scotch
15 days 10 hours ago

the margins say otherwise

buck turgidson
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buck turgidson
14 days 22 hours ago

look at the bottom 7 in the east.. you would actually take this team over any of them? wash has problems, based on the w-l record.. but they also have some assets that other teams will be interested in.. they will figure it out.. or blow it up.. the cavs will just be in “already blown up” mode with no outs for years..

MikeO
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15 days 11 hours ago

The Suns are worse, maybe the Bulls. The Hawks also suck, even though they beat the Cavs once. Pretty sure even the Wizards would beat the Cavs, just hased on talent, evdn if they loathe each other. I saw this in Wall even in college. He was a predning primma donna even then. That is probably the worst contract in the NBA.

scotch
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15 days 11 hours ago

I actually don’t feel like the wizards would beat us consistently. They are better shooters for sure, and so could beat us every so often, but the weirdness in DC goes further than just hating each other.

I think the bulls and suns are worse and probably the wizards, plus the magic. The Love injury throws a wrench into the talk about it i guess, but even without love I think we’re better than those 4.

MikeO
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15 days 11 hours ago

Gah, typos.

Arch Stanton
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Arch Stanton
15 days 14 hours ago

I hope that before Korver gets traded he helps Sexton learn to shoot 3s with confidence

Scotch
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Scotch
15 days 14 hours ago

Any way we can profit from the wiz selling high on somebody this year? I would freaking love Bradley beal

CLF
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15 days 15 hours ago

OKC defense is absolutely smothering WSH.

CLF
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CLF
15 days 15 hours ago

OKC putting it on DC….

MikeO
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MikeO
15 days 15 hours ago

Wiz need to get it to Dwight for post ups — efficient scoring…

CLF
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CLF
15 days 15 hours ago

only thing thats working for them tonight lol

MikeO
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MikeO
15 days 15 hours ago

The Wizards absolutely stink. And they all hate each other. They should hire Jason Kidd to right the ship.

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15 days 15 hours ago

IF WALTON IS THE “FALL ” GUY IN LA-LA LAND—CAVS SHOULD BE RIGHT ON TOP OF THAT !!—–1ST GAME FOR CHARGE TOMORROW RIGHT NATE—–ANXIOUS TO SEE WHAT PRESTON DOES AND BONZI IF HE IS PLAYING FOR THE CHARGE

Arch Stanton
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Arch Stanton
15 days 12 hours ago

I hope to read a Canton Charge game recap by NOMAD and Nate, after this game.

Tom Pestak
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15 days 13 hours ago

NOMAD, saw this at the store:

Tom Pestak
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15 days 13 hours ago

you know you’ve made it when

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John B
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15 days 17 hours ago

I still think Korver should start. Maybe go small with a true big with love out. Sexton, Hood, Cedi, Korver, and Zizic/Nance. Hill, Nwaba, JR, Dekker, and TT off the bench. Bury Clarkson. You just can’t run an offense with him. Maybe he gets spot minutes. Or to take some pressure off Cedi: Sexton, Hood, Nwaba, Korver, and Zizic/TT, with Hill, JR, Cedi, Dekker, and Nance off the bench.

I know JR is unhappy, but I suspect if he was back in the rotation that might change. We simply need more catch and shoot threats active while love is out. He is the second or third best we have behind Korver and Hill. He still has gravity at least. And why they think Clarkson and Sexton is a good idea is beyond me. Start Sexton if needed. Bench Clarkson. I just don’t think the team can succeed without shooters around Sexton and Hill maybe as a steadying presence for the bench.

Either way with love out for at least 6 weeks and likely longer, the season is effectively over. Was skeptical of that contract. Then convinced myself it was fine. Now I’m worried again.

JOHN B
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JOHN B
15 days 17 hours ago

Might as well play the vets and try to get some wins. Losing as much as we likely will with Sexton and Clarkson running the second unit probably won’t help anyone.

CLF
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CLF
15 days 18 hours ago

I’m not sure who mentioned the Kings before, but signing Nemaja Bjelica seems to be a smart signing… a cost effective power forward who can stretch the floor and shoot.

NOMAD
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15 days 20 hours ago

4 TEAMS PRESENTLY WITH 1 “W”—-THINK YOU CAN DISCOUNT THE ROCKETS / WIZARDS —-IN THE “ZION TANK CHASE “—KEEP US POSTED JASON

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15 days 21 hours ago

WOW —-TYPICAL CLEVELAND LUCK——-MIGHT AS WELL SIGN BRING BONZI OR PRESTON UP——LEARN “UNDER FIRE “—–keeping love healthy for February trade deadline

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15 days 21 hours ago

DIDN’T WATCH THE GAME –LIVE OR REPLAY—–I HAD MORE IMPORTANT THESE TO DO—“WATCH THE GRASS GROW “—-” LISTEN TO SPIDERS FART ” ” CONSUME AS MUCH ADULT BEVERAGES WITHOUT LONG-IN BARFIN “—–THINK I HAVE A CASE OF ” LONGASOMIAC ——MIGHT AS WELL “SETTLE IN “—GOING TO BE ONE OF THOSE YEARSSSSS!!

EvilGenius
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15 days 21 hours ago

I didn’t watch the game because I was too worried about my head exploding during the Longo halftime interview… thanks for taking this one Nate…

MikeO
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15 days 21 hours ago

Did you hear Lowe say Longo loses sleep over bad defense when he had Woj on the other day? May well be true, but if it is, Longo gets less sleep than I do…and that’s bad…

EvilGenius
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15 days 21 hours ago

Mike Longasomniac…

EvilGenius
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15 days 21 hours ago

Oh, and nice to see the running diary!

believeLAND
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believeLAND
15 days 22 hours ago

Honestly, this organization is a flaming dumpster fire.

Joshua Martin
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15 days 22 hours ago
Good stuff from Zach Lowe today on Clarkson…. http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25151211/zach-lowe-10-things-like-including-damian-lillard 6. For the love of god pass the ball Jordan Clarkson Clarkson has shot well so far, at least from 2-point range. The Cavs are scoring better than 1.5 points per possession when he drives — the best mark in the league among ball-handlers, per Second Spectrum. That’s all cool. He also has eight assists in eight games. He plays as if passing is illegal. Like, what is this? Clarkson has soaked up about 29 percent of Cleveland’s possessions with a shot, turnover, or drawn foul. He has dished dimes on only 8.3 percent those possessions. That is an astonishing discrepancy for a guard who handles the ball so much. Only two point guards or wings this decade have used up at least 26 percent of their team’s possessions while recording assists on fewer than 10 percent of them: Klay Thompson and Nick Young. Those guys are finishers; they don’t really dribble. Clarkson starts and finishes while everyone else stands around. It is infuriating watching Collin Sexton — a nominal point guard playing alongside Clarkson on bench units — waste developmental minutes while Clarkson dribbles the air out of the ball.… Read more »
CLF
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15 days 20 hours ago

Nice find Joshua. Clarkson seems emblematic of the Cavs’ current culture of selfishness as a result of losing. Guys get selfish when there’s nothing to play for. And I actually find Clarkson has played well this year because he’s no longer the backup point guard, so the coaches have actually placed him in a more appropriate role for his game.

JOHN B
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15 days 17 hours ago

He has had some decent games, but I don’t know if you can win with a guy like that unless he is Kyrie. Even then Kyrie passed every once in a while. Just takes the whole rest of the team out of the flow of the game. When that guy is off, or goes out just kills any offensive rhythm the team has. I think you can play either Sexton or Clarkson. One of them has to sit. And I don’t mean not play with each other. I mean play at all.

MikeO
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MikeO
15 days 21 hours ago

He fits in perfectly with the Laker ‘young playmakers’ team building around Lebron. Get ‘er done, Magic.

Arch Stanton
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Arch Stanton
15 days 22 hours ago

Wow…. Gilbert sounds real fun to work for:

Scotch
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15 days 19 hours ago

um…boylan’s contract wasn’t breached in any way. they can decline the option for any reason they want. he wasn’t fired. if boylan sniffs an actual judge’s decision rather than being laughed out of court i’ll be surprised

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14 days 21 hours ago

Idk I interpreted “going younger” as the style of basketball they wanted to play with younger players. Cavs pace wasn’t really that fast. Boylan and Handy are great with veteran players who know what they are doing. I’m sure they picked up by a better team anyways.

TV63
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TV63
14 days 21 hours ago

Wasn’t he with the Cavs alot of years??

Arch Stanton
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Arch Stanton
15 days 19 hours ago

Maybe, but it still doesn’t look good.

CLF
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CLF
15 days 20 hours ago

This is pretty crazy… how is Gilbert even a successful businessman??? His managerial/adminstrative skills suck as it relates to the Cavs.

John B
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John B
15 days 18 hours ago

I mean I have been a huge critic of DG in the past because of this. Seems to impatient and too volatile to be good at managing anything. He must be great at investing/have a keen eye for business opportunities. Not sure how he built that mortgage empire though.

buck turgidson
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buck turgidson
15 days 23 hours ago

anyone surprised about the current 1-? teams? houston, phoenix, wash and cavs? the cavs are far and away the worst of these teams.. i would trade the cavs roster in a heartbeat for the phoenix team.. would anyone here not make that trade? and in 2 heartbeats for the other teams.. phoenix has drafted well.. is young.. and i guess rather pathetic at the moment.. it just goes to show how difficult competing in this league is.. the deficits the cavs have in mgmt and on the floor just make the task very daunting..

Arch Stanton
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Arch Stanton
15 days 23 hours ago

Of course, because Phoenix has Anton, and Booker, and I’ve heard Bridges is solid too.

buck turgidson
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buck turgidson
15 days 17 hours ago

pt being they are stinking up the place having seemingly made “all the right moves” over the last few yrs.. granted they are in the west, the cavs have made virtually none of the right moves, there is no reason to believe that anything is going to change.. looks like drew may not have the magic potion.. guess what, there is no magic potion in this business except lady luck and/or extraordinary smarts.. the cavs are in for some very tough sledding for quite a few years.. but hey, there is the “process” to look forward to..

Arch Stanton
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Arch Stanton
15 days 16 hours ago

I have 3 by February

Arch Stanton
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Arch Stanton
15 days 14 hours ago

3 or 4…

buck turgidson
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buck turgidson
15 days 23 hours ago

sticking with my 3-40 by the 1st week in feb.. and 7-75 for the season..

Arch Stanton
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Arch Stanton
15 days 23 hours ago

7-75? Good lord! Would that be an NBA record? I think they can maybe squeeze 20-30 wins, but probably closer to 20. No doubt though they are pretty bad.

buck turgidson
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buck turgidson
15 days 10 hours ago

perhaps they win a few more late in the season against those teams willing to field there bench guys, so as to rest for the playoff run, other than that, i don’t see hoe they can possibly break into double-digits in the win column

JOHN B
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JOHN B
15 days 17 hours ago
Think 9 and 73 is the record. And yeah with love out and if they keep playing Sexton and Clarkson together I think that is definitely in the realm of possibility, probably even likely. It really is hugely problematic to have two guys like that sharing the floor. Neither are good 3 shooters (Sexton doesn’t shoot them at all). Neither are good at team defense or really individual d. Neither pass much even though they both have the ball, yet both dominate the ball. Why I was hoping Lue would install a disciplined motion offense with multiple options that flow into one another per set and set spacing. If guys know where they are supposed to be at all times and where their teammates are you have set locations to pass to. Think it would help with tunnel vision guards. You are driving off a pick and roll while someone else is setting screens off ball for shooters at the same time or cuts are happening and then you know where everyone is supposed to be instead of needing the vision/natural bball iq or instinct to find guys at tougher improvised angles, a la LBJ. Of course he always knew… Read more »
buck turgidson
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buck turgidson
15 days 10 hours ago

glad to see a realistic optimist

JOHN B
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JOHN B
15 days 9 hours ago

Now that love is out for the foreseeable future, yeah. I mean we had a slim margin for error. Still think with an excellent offensive system we could have been competitive (not necessarily playoff bound) coming into the season. One that was actually tailored to our star’s strengths and one that actually had 3+ set options that flowed into one another per set, but we didn’t so we are where we are. And now we lost our best player in a team that needs a true blue brilliant motion offense. Too late to install that. Plus the d just still hasn’t been prepped well in 8 games.

With a great coach this team maybe could have sneaked into the 8th seed. Without a system and without our best player for maybe the rest of the season, well we may be historically bad.

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