Live Thread: Cavs vs. Hawks

Seven teams remain without a win in this fledgling NBA season, and with both the Hawks and Cavs at 0-2, something’s got to give. Cleveland makes its home debut after giving up big second quarter runs to the Raptors and T-Wolves. The Hawks come in having given up 257 points to the Knicks and Grizzlies, with an average loss margin of 16.5.

Leading the Hawks have been Taurean Waller-Prince who has 25-5-5 and Trae Young who has led the team in minutes and posted 17-4-7 averages, while shooting a whopping seven treys per game. Sitting on his right hand and making him a driver is a key to stopping Trae who’s shooting 36% from three, but just 39% from two. The other key to beating the Hawks? Taking advantage of their turnovers. Atlanta’s coughed the ball up a whopping 43 times in two games.

Many think Atlanta’s the worst team in the league, but they have some dangerous players with Young, Prince, Cavalier irritant, Kent Bazemore, and Jeremy Lin.

In the injury department, it’s good news and bad news. The good news: Larry Nance is available to play after spraining his ankle late in preseason. The bad news: Sam Dekker is available to play after a head injury, Friday. Now don’t get me wrong. I’m happy that Dekker isn’t hurt seriously, but the less he plays the better for Cleveland.

For Atlanta, Peachtree Hoops reports that that John Collins, Dewaye Dedmon, Justin Anderson and Daniel Hamilton are out. Omari Spellman (ankle) was upgraded to questionable. Trae Young, Vince Carter, Tyler Dorsey and Alex Poythress are probable.

Kevin Love should have a good matchups tonight with Atlanta’s main line big men out, and we should see a good rookie duel between Young and Sexton. Keeping my fingers crossed that the Cavs come out hungry for their first win.

 

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buck turgidson
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buck turgidson
27 days 10 hours ago

and to top it off.. shump puts up 26 in the SAC takedown of OKC. sad

MikeO
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MikeO
27 days 10 hours ago

Kings look like they may be exciting, if not that good, this year. Good for Shump, but that’s fool’s gold. Thunder have Celtics next, not a great place when you’re 0-3.

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CLF
27 days 13 hours ago

Well, instead of watching the Cavs, I had watch my Bengals get destroyed by Mahomes. Looks like Atlanta was smart to pick up Trae Young, Kevin Huerter and Omari Spellman in this year’s draft…. all of them did some good things tonight. Trae Young proving doubters wrong… and summer league showed Spellman was a sneaky good pick… especially if he’s going to hit 3s like that. At least we’ll get to keep the pick!

Jason
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27 days 13 hours ago

Again, on my to do list for the year, the top 4 are looking good: 1) Keep the pick; 2) Get rid of Lue (0-3); 3) Get rid of Mike L (the D is terrible); 4) Develop the young guys, paeticularly Sexton & Cedi.

Trade afoot with Kyle & JR sitting?

MikeO
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MikeO
27 days 10 hours ago

Apparently JR wasn’t happy about not playing.

Scotch
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Scotch
27 days 10 hours ago

Honestly…probably no trade afoot yet. No reason for other teams to want them yet. But I definitely anticipate value for Kyle…and I anticipate us shopping JR and TT. Hopefully we can at least get rid of TT. I actually dont mind if we keep JR Smith.

But what I really hope is we have a buyer for George Hill. Cuz he isnt playing well anyway…and we could use some young shooters and also could use a slew of coaching changes. The two arent related but good God isnt it obvious Koby???

Charlie E
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Charlie E
27 days 13 hours ago

Tremendous range shown by Trae Young, and you can’t complain about all the assists. When you can hit from 30+ feet you can make things happen. Despite the one game where they faced off in college he’s way ahead of Sexton.

It’s early, but I thought they might actually do better early in the year as other teams warmed up. I guess not. My read is that they will go 50-50 against the bad teams and generally get pasted by the good ones. That translates to ~30 wins.

They have a bunch of not very coachable players. Hood, Nance, Tristan, Dekker, and Clarkson are all too limited and generally slow-of-thought so it’s tough for a coach to do much with them. I think Sexton will be all right, but it’s going to take some years to be a decent player.

What to make of the absence of JR, Korver, and Channing Frye? I guess they’re going with youth until further notice.

Here we are in the wilderness! Ah well… We do have some pretty likable guys. Can’t wait for them to have a good game.

John B
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John B
27 days 15 hours ago

Cavs have underachieved in the regular season and made thingsfar far more difficult for themselves than they need be in the playoffs for quite some time. If game plans and rotations weren’t so nonsensical they could have gotten so much more rest and won more last year. In they playoffs, we got scooled tactically by teams with less talent for 2/3 eastern series.

Arch Stanton
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Arch Stanton
27 days 15 hours ago

Yeah I don’t know if it’s too early or not to start making judgements. It seems like they just stopped playing after the first quarter. That being said I want Longabardi on the first flight out of here.

MikeO
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MikeO
27 days 10 hours ago

At this point, I think Longabardi, like Marvin Lewis with the Bengals, is a lifer. Impossible to imagine him ever being anywhere else.

John B
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John B
27 days 15 hours ago

Schooled

John B
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John B
27 days 15 hours ago

You say lack of talent. Yet the nets who had nobody last year nearly lost us our pick. We have far more talent than they did last year.

John B
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John B
27 days 15 hours ago

That was a reply to “anonymous.”

John B
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John B
27 days 15 hours ago

Hill is a decent defender. Osman has been a decent defender on ball. Nance was their best defender last year. Nwaba is an athletic body who by all accounts is a decent defender, who basically played nil the first two games. Love can be solid if put in a scheme that doesn’t make him do things that he can’t do.

They do dumb things though. We don’t have the personnel to play this type of d, and by the way they tried to do it last year with LBJ. They need to go to a more conservative approach and have needed to for some time. They have tried this switching bs for way too long. Like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. At some point you have to change your prep and scheme. We are well past that. Also so many needless doubles. So much poor execution on d for three years. That is on game prep.

Jason
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Jason
27 days 13 hours ago

Amen. Seriously, we need new coaches. Kyrie, Wade, and IT were not wrong about that.

Chris K
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Chris K
27 days 15 hours ago

Preach.

buck turgidson
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buck turgidson
27 days 15 hours ago

i don’t watch the games in real-time.. the human nervous system was not designed for this carnage.. the game gets saved, and reviewed or erased, based on the story and outcome.. i think this one gets deep-sixed.. i feel bad for the young bull.. at least the cavs didn’t pass on young, and only to be lit up tonight like a fine cuban cigar.. when i get a bad feeling.. it is almost 100% correct.. my sense of impending disaster is unmatched.. watch out folks.. big iceberg ahead..

Anonymous
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27 days 15 hours ago

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John B
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John B
27 days 15 hours ago

They aren’t this bad. Will they be good? No but they could be and should be a lot better than this if they are trying to win. Tactical and preparational coaching errors. Young looked amazing against us, but has looked pedestrian against everyone else. We aren’t this bad defensively. We are if the players aren’t prepped or put into postions to succeed. Simple.

Leo
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Leo
27 days 16 hours ago

didn’t even catch game, but I thought Hawks were ‘worst team ever’….might be the Cavs….could be long winter, unless Cavs start making changes with players and or coaching staff.

NOMAD
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NOMAD
27 days 16 hours ago

SO QUESTION –WHO WAS OUR DEF COORDINATOR BEFORE “LA-LA BURGER BARFI “—-AND WHY DID HE LEAVE—–AND WHY DID WE HIRE “EL DOUCHO ” WHEN HE WAS LEFT GO BY A TERRIBLE SUNS TEAM ?—–JRL YOU ARE CORRECT ON SEXTON TRYING TOO HARD TO SHOW UP YOUNG —COMPLETELY BACKFIRED ON HIM

JRL
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JRL
27 days 16 hours ago

Unfortunately it was Lue under Blatt.
So yeah…

John B
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John B
27 days 15 hours ago

Yep. Why I posted the other day that I think they either need to fire both or hire Lue a great offensive assistant and have him entirely take over the d.

NOMAD
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NOMAD
27 days 16 hours ago

LOVE STILL A BEAST ON THE BOARDS—MAN IF HE MAHES 40 %–45 % OF HIS SHOTS –HE IS LOOKING AT 3O PTS / GAME—HOPE THEY START TO FALL FOR HIM

Brian
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Brian
27 days 16 hours ago

I bet we stop hearing the “Tu Lue is a really good coach, he was just put in a bad position that last few years” narrative relatively quickly. Hawks are the worst team in the league and we are not competing.

John B
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John B
27 days 16 hours ago

I had some inkling of hope. But if the tactical rotational decisions remain the same and we see no improvement schematically on d, then I think we will know what most suspected for some time.

JRL
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JRL
27 days 16 hours ago

Nobody on this board has said that in over a year and a half 😀

Anonymous
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Anonymous
27 days 16 hours ago

Ugh. What a horrid 3 quarters. What I don’t get is what the Cavs are even attempting to accomplish. Are they trying to just play their young guys? Or are they trying to win? Why isn’t Korver playing? Why is the shot selection so terrible…

JRL
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JRL
27 days 16 hours ago

I think a lot has to do with everyone trying to play hero ball. Yes, Clarkson and Hood had good games but they don’t make the people around them better.

Add to that the fact that cLueless is trying to force Love into a position he no can longer play, and you have a team without any identity.

Also Sexton was trying to show off and got burned by Young. That was disappointing.

John B
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John B
27 days 16 hours ago

Good question. Ask the coaching staff.

Vintage
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Vintage
27 days 16 hours ago

Clarkson and Hood had some nice moments, but pretty much all their shots came off of individual actions. Never really saw Sexton trying to get others involved either. Love’s shots pretty much come off his own accord. Cedi tried at times but had too many turnovers.

Gonna take more than 3 games to go from the LeBron system to something else I guess

John B
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John B
27 days 16 hours ago

They had a whole summer to come up with a different offense see. Kerr installed the warriors offense over a single summer and began installing it in summer league. We know how that turned out versus Mark Jackson’s basic offense with the same personnel.

Vintage
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Vintage
27 days 16 hours ago

Touche. Well if there’s one set they’ve installed, its the PnR to get an 18 footer. They’ve got that play down… ugh

JRL
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JRL
27 days 16 hours ago

Bit it wasn’t just three games. Is not like LeBron left the team last week. A full summer camp and pre-season should be enough time for a competent coach to install 5-6 offensive sets. Not too much to ask.

Anonymous
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27 days 16 hours ago

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John B
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John B
27 days 16 hours ago

They were in it despite terrible rotations costing them entire qtrs versus two much better teams. D scheme has been awful.

Anonymous
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27 days 16 hours ago

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JRL
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JRL
27 days 16 hours ago

I’m sure you can go on a Lakers’ blog/forum and post there.

John B
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John B
27 days 16 hours ago

You sound like you are a child have the time so…is anything different.

John B
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John B
27 days 16 hours ago

Half

MikeO
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MikeO
27 days 16 hours ago

Maybe you can stop posting here with your drivel?

John B
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John B
27 days 16 hours ago

Anonymous’s (co#s) hot take: Young will be the best rookie of this class.

NOMAD
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NOMAD
27 days 16 hours ago

AND YES YOUNG WAS NOT AVAILABLE SO THERE SHOULD BE NO ARGUEMENT –SHOULD HAVE WE ?

John B
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John B
27 days 16 hours ago

Hey ho, Lue and Longibarf have got to go.

NOMAD
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NOMAD
27 days 16 hours ago

ANTE WITH 4 PTS/ 3 REB’S / 3 MINUTES —-UNDERSTAND IT WAS GARBAGE TIME– BUT WTF TY ???—-CLUELESS —-WHAT IS YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT ANONYMOUS FROM COLORADO ?

Chris K
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Chris K
27 days 15 hours ago

Why did Ante get zero minutes against a big like Len? Wouldn’t that have been a logical choice to defend a seven-footer?

LAbron
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LAbron
27 days 16 hours ago

What’s this!Cavs blown off by the lowly hawks….Oh my. Time to change the coach

John B
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John B
27 days 16 hours ago

So far rotations, defensive scheme, and adjustments have been horrific through three games. Sounds familiar. Lue/Longibarfs MO.

Arch Stanton
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Arch Stanton
27 days 16 hours ago

Fire Bongabardi!

John B
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John B
27 days 16 hours ago

Bongwaterbarf.

MikeO
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MikeO
27 days 16 hours ago

I think there’s a lot of truth to this. We expected Lue to install more Love-centric sets (and just more/new sets in general). Instead, they’re basically running the same stuff with Cedi or Hood playing LeBron + more transition + more Love post ups. It’s pretty discouraging https://t.co/NoacKZj9ca

— Mike Zavagno (@MZavagno11) October 22, 2018

John B
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John B
27 days 16 hours ago

Yep. How many, if any elbow sets have we seen?

MikeO
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MikeO
27 days 16 hours ago

Way, way, way too many Love post ups that end in a TO if he gets doubled…

John B
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John B
27 days 16 hours ago

Not counting elbow sets as postups or vice versa for clarification. Way different position on the floor and different options available. Though if you were just remarking on posts in the low block/low block extended, completely agree.

MikeO
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MikeO
27 days 16 hours ago

Yes, that was what I was referring to. I haven’t checked PPP on those, but it’s not good.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
27 days 16 hours ago

Some didn’t want Cavs to pick Trae Young even if he were available.

John B
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John B
27 days 16 hours ago

What is this co#s? Wasn’t even there. Also how can you judge him based off this horrible defensive scheme and lack of adjustments?

Arch Stanton
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Arch Stanton
27 days 16 hours ago

Well he wasn’t, so it’s not really a narrative.

MikeO
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MikeO
27 days 16 hours ago

I wanted him if he was there. He’s not going to look like this every game, though.

NOMAD
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NOMAD
27 days 16 hours ago

AGREE ARCH —-TERIBLE WEEKEND FOR OHIO SPORTS —( BUCKS DROPPED DOWN TO # 11—DESERVEDLY SO ——-MAKES ME WANT TO DRINK MORE BEVERAGES )——-JRL –ALL IN WITH HAMMOND ( AS COACH THAT IS )—

Vintage
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Vintage
27 days 16 hours ago

Ouch on the head to head comparison…

JRL
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JRL
27 days 16 hours ago

Can Becky Hammond be offered Lue’s job even though she’s an assistant?

John B
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John B
27 days 16 hours ago

Something has to change coaching wise. They aren’t this bad. Not even close.

Arch Stanton
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Arch Stanton
27 days 16 hours ago

Is Becky Hammond some sort of coaching genius? I don’t get the obsession with her, other than that it would be progressive to make her the first female NBA head coach. I would have nothing against hiring her, I’m just unaware of her skill set as a head coach.

Jason
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Jason
27 days 13 hours ago

Spurs won summer league with her at the helm a couple years back.

MikeO
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MikeO
27 days 16 hours ago

Female, smart, Spurs org. But I have no idea how capable she is either. If someone hires her one day it will be a gutsy move.

Arch Stanton
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Arch Stanton
27 days 16 hours ago

Yeah… I mean Mike Brown was from the Spurs .org, and Dan fires him twice!

MikeO
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MikeO
27 days 16 hours ago

You also have to hope players will listen to her even though she never played in the NBA…it’d be risky, even if she is an awesome coach.

John B
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John B
27 days 16 hours ago

Wouldn’t be surprised if they have her pegged as Pop’s successor. They have the organizational and institutional strength to make that work. She was lead assistant last year I think, or at least she took over for pop wheb his wife passed.

JRL
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JRL
27 days 16 hours ago

Here’s a great article about Hammon I read months back. It made me want her as our head coach even more.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/16/how-far-can-becky-hammon-go-in-the-nba

Arch Stanton
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Arch Stanton
27 days 16 hours ago

Ok I’m done with this 💩 Show!

John B
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John B
27 days 16 hours ago

With a halfway decent coaching staff this team could win between 35-40 games in the east. We don’t have one unfortunately. Bad to awful coaching. So it was Lue/longibardi after all

Arch Stanton
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Arch Stanton
27 days 16 hours ago

So the question is, will the Cavs win a game before November? Will Dan Gilbert join Fred and AC to tell us that Sexton is only 19?

MikeO
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MikeO
27 days 16 hours ago

If they can’t beat this team, not sure who they can beat. Orlando. Maybe.

Arch Stanton
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Arch Stanton
27 days 16 hours ago

Mo Bamba says good luck!

Arch Stanton
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Arch Stanton
27 days 17 hours ago

Bad weekend for Ohio sports.

Jason
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Jason
27 days 13 hours ago

You ain’t kidding.

NOMAD
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NOMAD
27 days 17 hours ago

START REFERENCING LOTTERY 2019 DRAFT PICKS——TRADES TO MAKE —-OUCH ——-AND I SAID I WAS GOING TO SIT BACK AND ENJOY THIS SEASON ———-CAN’T WAIT —-( YES I CAN )–FOR TY’S POST GAME COMMENTS ———CAN WE MAKE K.K. A PLAYER–COACH

NOMAD
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NOMAD
27 days 17 hours ago

IF I AM KOLBY–I CALL TY AND LOGENBURGER IN TOMORROW———HAVE 10 GAMES –( THAT IS PROBABLY TOO MANY )—TO SHOW SOME IMPROVEMENT —-SEMBLANCE OF AN NBA TEAM / COACHING STAFF OR —–GO COACH OVER IN CHINA———-THIS TYPE OF TEAM IS AN IDEAL DAVID BLAAT TEAM !!!

Anonymous
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Anonymous
27 days 17 hours ago

Cedi has been bad this entire game. Clarkson is the only guy keeping us in the game.

John B
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John B
27 days 16 hours ago

The whole team has been bad on d. Schematic. Coaching. They aren’t this bad, but the coaching is. So so so so so bad co#s.

Anonymous
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Anonymous
27 days 17 hours ago

I guess this blog was wrong about Trae Young.

John B
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John B
27 days 16 hours ago

I always thought he would be decent. Against this coaching scheme and game prep he looks incredible. Against better coaching he will struggle hard.

Arch Stanton
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Arch Stanton
27 days 17 hours ago

The blog is only allowed to acquire 2nd round picks, according to league rules.

MikeO
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MikeO
27 days 17 hours ago

And guess you were wrong about Lue.

MikeO
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MikeO
27 days 17 hours ago

Yes, ‘this blog’ has one voice. Thought you were done with this place?

Scotch
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Scotch
27 days 17 hours ago

Yeah I doubt we win 30 games this year, and it’s not because we dont have the tools

JRL
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JRL
27 days 17 hours ago

Okay that 3 by Bazemore is it for me. I’ll catch you guys on the recap. Sorry for whomever has to write it.

NOMAD
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NOMAD
27 days 17 hours ago

YOU CAN’T TELL ME ANTE WOULDN’T HAVE PUT UP DECENT STATS / HELPED SOMEWHAT TONIGHT —-TY YOU ARE GETTING -(STAYING –) CLUELESS AGAIN

JRL
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JRL
27 days 17 hours ago

Apparently the Hawks thought this was a playoff game.

NOMAD
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NOMAD
27 days 17 hours ago

I LIKE IT MIKEO—“STROKING THE NOODLE “—( THANK YOU EVIL —EVEN IF WE DID CHANGE THE WORDING )—–SO I AM SURE THE HOT MEDIA TOPIC WILL BE DRAFT PICKS —YOUNG / SEXTON ———–SEASON STILL YOUNG —–BUT YOU CAN GET RID OF OUR SO CALLED DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR —NOW !!!!!—–

Scotch
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Scotch
27 days 17 hours ago

That SHOULD be the takeaway from this game though. One has multiple ways to hurt you, one has 1 way.

Simmo
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Simmo
27 days 15 hours ago

This phrase must be on the next CtB t-shirt.

Vintage
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Vintage
27 days 17 hours ago

Cavs have no identity – just out there playing individual games without a gameplan.

JRL
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JRL
27 days 17 hours ago

One would think having a career .431% – 3pt shooter on your team, a coach would be tempted to use him. Apparently Lue forgot KK is a Cavs.

Scotch
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Scotch
27 days 17 hours ago

We need to develop the young guys…by not letting them watch someone with good habits

JRL
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JRL
27 days 17 hours ago

Hahaha.

MikeO
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MikeO
27 days 17 hours ago

Hoodie Clarkson keeps stroking the noodle…

JRL
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JRL
27 days 17 hours ago

Do the Hawks score 120+?

NOMAD
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NOMAD
27 days 17 hours ago

“TIME TO GO BOWLING YET “—–“PANIC BUTTON TIME “———–NEED OUR TYPICAL 4TH QTR SURGE TO WIN THIS GAME

MikeO
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MikeO
27 days 17 hours ago

I guess Young really is Curry…at least against this Cavs team…

Vintage
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Vintage
27 days 17 hours ago

Pretty pass by Young

NOMAD
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NOMAD
27 days 17 hours ago

WHY NO “ZZ” YET

JRL
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JRL
27 days 17 hours ago

Or KK.

John B
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John B
27 days 17 hours ago

Prediction. This will be Young’s most efficient game a season.

JOHN B
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JOHN B
27 days 17 hours ago

I didn’t really think the cavs were in the hunt for the playoffs, but I agree with whomever said they think our Hawks bound pick is safe.

MikeO
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MikeO
27 days 17 hours ago

Probably time to get Lebron back in the game…

believeLAND
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believeLAND
27 days 17 hours ago

Come on now, gotta be Atlanta. Ain’t gonna play a team worse than them all year.

believeLAND
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believeLAND
27 days 17 hours ago

beat** Atlanta

JRL
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JRL
27 days 17 hours ago

Is KK hurt?

Vintage
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Vintage
27 days 17 hours ago

Hood getting to his spots

JRL
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JRL
27 days 17 hours ago

Tristan can’t set a screen to save his NBA career.

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