Podcast 182: Get Off My Lawn

Thanks to Kyrie Irving being unable to keep his ungrateful, recalcitrant pie hole buttoned… EG went full Pestak tonight, dragging Nate down a rabbit hole of NBA rants. The Evil one gave both barrels to the Flat Earther about his recent comments about Boston “saving” him from the living hell that apparently must have been Cleveland for him. That vitriol spilled over into other topics like Jimmy Butler’s weird hold out that doesn’t extend to insane practice sessions where he shouts at people like a lunatic… uninformed announcers and media honks who seem hell-bent on bursting any bubble of happiness we Cavs fans want to nurse in the days before the games matter… and the insanity EG and Nate found in actually rooting for the Warriors in a meaningless preseason tilt in Vegas with LeBron’s Frankenstein Lakers.

Whew… that’s a lot of annoyance packed into an hour or so of a two man pod… but hopefully you’ll get a kick out of a couple of geezers letting off steam. As always, you can catch us above, on Soundcloud, Apple Podcasts or Google Play.

Just a week until the season starts! GO Cavs!

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Arch Stanton
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10 days 19 hours ago

Arch Stanton
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10 days 20 hours ago

I hope this means that he won’t steal his girlfriend, and only help him with b-ball:

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10 days 20 hours ago

Remember when the Cavs Almost got prime Amar’e Stoudemire but refused to trade JJ Hickson??

Arch Stanton
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10 days 20 hours ago

I think about it everyday! Oh what could have been…

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10 days 22 hours ago

I COULD USE THE WORD –“ALMOST ” IN “ALMOST ‘ MY ENTIRE LIFE …………..”ALMOST “————–WITH TAYLORS INJURY ——ROSTER SPOT OPEN FOR ‘BONZI “—-2 WAYS GOING TO PRESTON AND TERRY—-HOLLAND ODD MAN OUT —–THAT IS THE WAY I “ALMOST ” SEE IT PLAYING OUT

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10 days 23 hours ago

League sources tell me Jimmy Butler pointed directly at Andrew Wiggins and Karl Anthony-Towns and declared "I'm f***ing done playing with Tim Hortonway Jr. and Dominican Enes Kanter"

— sreekar (@sreekyshooter) October 10, 2018

LOL….this guy’s twitter feed is pretty good…

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10 days 23 hours ago

MikeO
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10 days 23 hours ago

“Almost” is a very large word.

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11 days 6 hours ago

MikeO
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11 days 43 minutes ago

If he learns to dribble without looking at the ball he’s a surefire MVP candidate….

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11 days 9 hours ago
I understand Nate’s frustration with Larry. I feel relatively confident that most of Larry’s preseason mistakes are the result of his attempt to expand his game. I have been encouraged by what I have seen of him on a play by play basis, despite the more glaring turnover errors. I am completely for Colson making the squad. He has been solid on defense. That was the question on him, not his offense. Colson has been short on his limited attempts so far, but he has great touch and decent range. Should make the roster. Sam Dekker does some decent work on the defensive end and is a blur in transition. He is playing outside of himself in the preseason with Love held out. I dont like him for big minutes, but Dekker could be fine as a 9th man. I would rather have Holland than Clarkson. Obviously, that is a strong take and never going to happen. Holland isnt good, but he doesnt actively kill a team like Clarkson does. Considering reality, Holland is the guy to let go. The amount of long twos is a direct result of Collin’s inability to get downhill. That isnt on Ty Lue’s offense.… Read more »
Nate Smith
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11 days 6 hours ago

Is it an inability with Collin or an unwillingness/deferring nature? I don’t think playing with gutless George Hill as a mentor does him any favors. Also, the stress fracture for Isaiah Taylor changes the math. They can hold on to Colson now and punt on that decision till Taylor is healthy.

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11 days 13 hours ago

Sooo…Lebron is going to take this Lakers team to the western conference finals. Health of the warriors and possibly some lakers’ trades will influence whether he gets by the warriors…but gosh dang it he is still the best player in basketball by a wide margin. Can we for a second replace TT with a Mcgee sized man? Mcgee is gonna average like 2 offensive boards and 4+ dunks a game just playing with lebron.

That said…that’s in the west. I predict cavs finish at #6 or #12, depending on Love’s health and Lue’s health. If both are healthy…we’re 6th. If Lue has to be replaced by Drew…we’re 6th. If Love is out, we are 12th. If Lue and Love are out…oh…well then maybe we finish 8th.

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11 days 4 hours ago

We have a McGee sized big man, his name is Ante Zizic and he’s actually better than McGee if used/coached properly.

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10 days 23 hours ago

I mean specifically playing with Lebron someone with Mcgee’s size and athleticism should shine in an up tempo offense. ZZ is more skilled than Mcgee but not near as athletic.

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11 days 11 hours ago

He’s going to take Lakers to 1st o r2nd round

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11 days 12 hours ago

These are probably fairly accurate…but they don’t mean anything about how the cavs season will go ( i get that may not be the point of bovada’s predictions).

Those two could hit those figures or even exceed them and the cavs could go 20-62 or go 45-37. It’s not about their scoring. it’s about if Tye Lue can coach or if Tye Lue sucks. we have the pieces to be in the playoff race this year. Most of the east sucks. But if Lue is who we think he is…we also have the ability to suck and legitimately finish last in the NBA…cuz we have enough terrible lineup options to field a truly horrible team. How Lue uses Hill and Cedi will make the season. If he gives Hill too many mins or Cedi too few will change the result.

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11 days 13 hours ago

Seems realistic. I would take the over on love, but I don’t think it will be much more than 22-23 ppg. Sexton at 13 is probably close to spot on, and I wouldn’t be disappointed with that if he is mildly efficient and can show he can set people up.

Arch Stanton
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11 days 14 hours ago

Sidelined with a stress fracture? Maybe that opens up a roster spot for Bonzi?!

Arch Stanton
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11 days 14 hours ago

Taylor is a non-guaranteed contract too.

Arch Stanton
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11 days 14 hours ago

Good article on the whole Butler situation. I’m not typically a Ringer fan, but flagged this one because it provided some legal insight:

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11 days 13 hours ago
Hmm. Fascinating. Maybe Butler was playing chess after all. You see teams trade guys before the regular season so often after trade demands, you never really consider what actually would happen if they did hold out. Different than a free agent holdout I suppose from a monetary standpoint. Didn’t know about the breach of contract complications other than the loss of salary. Suppose the huge part of that other than the money is losing free agency rights. Guess the hedging about possible mending the fences from Butler is completely disingenuous. The wolves did blow this though if they ignored Butler months ago until he issued an ultimatum in person. Unfortunately for them, because he only has a year left, they just won’t get a king’s ransom like you might if you had the cojones to call a guy’s bluff who had two years left, a la Kyrie. I do wonder now what would have happened had the cavs stayed fast and held onto Irving. Would he risk losing all that money and possibly getting his FA rights revoked or postponed? I suppose the trump card for the player in that situation is faking an injury or in the case of… Read more »
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Arch Stanton
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11 days 14 hours ago

I don’t know if there’s an opportunity for the Cavs to get in on this to help the Wolves and maybe acquire some picks by taking on Dieng or others?

JOHN B
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11 days 13 hours ago

Watch them get Wiggins back as a poison pill. Barf.

Arch Stanton
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11 days 13 hours ago

George Hill for Wiggins and a first

JOHN B
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11 days 12 hours ago

Man that contract though. So long. So much money. I might need two firsts. I don’t see him improving, especially not on a rebuilding or quasi rebuilding team like the cavs.

Arch Stanton
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11 days 15 hours ago

Haha I love that Thibs is pissing off the sockless curmudgeon…

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11 days 15 hours ago

Oyyy. Thibs really making a mess of this. He is definitely on his way out. I suspect the remaining wolves will probably turn on him, if they haven’t already. I would be shocked if he lasted the season. Never seen a situation so botched. Even Kyrie’s debacle went smoother than this.

Arch Stanton
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11 days 15 hours ago

I think this is also just a part of the NBA drama. The NBA thrives on this “As The World Turns” shade throwing, dirty laundry airing atmosphere. It’s all just an extension of the ‘smack talk’ that happens in “White Men Can’t Jump,” except it’s now played out on Twitter, ESPN, Sports Talk Radio, etc… and we’re all experts and all the gossiping gossip girls of “Clueless,” and “Confessions of a Teenage Drama Queen.” And we love it. We can’t get enough. With the 24 hour news cycle, the NBA is ‘played’ played more off the court than on it. I don’t know… this thought process sounded better before I started typing it. 😂

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11 days 13 hours ago
I get it and it is true. The nba has leveraged the offseason drama as entertainment more than any other major American sport. It has become a sort of soap opera for sports fans. This situation is truly on another level of odd though in my opinion. Butler’s actions are truly bizarre and the fact that the wolves let it happen is just as strange. Sure, stars demand trades all the time now. But usually they hold out and the teams never entertain the thought of them coming to camp or playing. The fact that they actually thought Butler coming to practice and possibly playing in the season after what he said about KAT over the summer is just strange. I suspect Thibs thought because butler had been his guy, he someone thought he could make it work. Another example of a coach/FO combo position being a terrible idea. I mean Pop probably has more power than anyone, but Auerbach or Riley did as coaches, yet he still has a brain trust with Buford. Pop had to be convinced to give up hill for Kawhi after all and eventually he was. There shouldn’t be complete overlap in the two jobs… Read more »
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11 days 13 hours ago

Also I don’t know how the Wolves let it happen with Butler? I guess this goes back to Thibs being the GM/Coach? So I get that angle. I understand Butler’s frustration with Wiggins and KAT. I think it’s totally warranted. And I have no issue with him requesting a trade. I don’t appreciate his orchestrated effort, using the media, to force the Wolves to accept a bad deal (fat Dion Waiters) to make him happy. The Wolves have no obligation to meet his demands. You signed this contract, but you also want x,y, and z.

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11 days 12 hours ago

I think the let it happen part has entirely to do with Thibs. I don’t think most teams would have let Butler back into the team after his comments this summer. Also I suspect Thibs and their dallying before his in person ultimatum this summer was entirely on Thibs thinking he could make it work. Probably the same reason they have dallied in the last month.

As to Butler, yeah after learning about the espn interview and that ringer article, agree that was pretty shady. However, it likely happens all the time in this type of situation. Just not so publicly, dramatically, or as bizarrely as this. Guy’s agents almost certainly leak stuff or orchestrate bs like that all the time in trade scenarios. Some of the Kyrie stuff was probably leaked by his camp. It just usually doesn’t get to this point and is done more subtly.

Arch Stanton
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11 days 13 hours ago

Yeah I definitely agree it’s a bad idea to make the coach the GM and President. Even if that coach is a great coach, it’s too much responsibility to dole out.

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11 days 13 hours ago

A coach and GM also occasionally diametrically opposed in their goals. A coach wants to win and complete as much as possible now. If Pop has a say, SA probably won’t blow it up. I couldn’t blame them. Think someone said he might retire if they do and he is worth more than just about any player or prospect in the league. You keep him happy as long as possible.

Gms have to take a longer view if they want to be successful long term. You need that balance I think. I have no doubt Pop was on board with keeping their picks all those years and likely had a ton to do with drafting all those legends, but again, he did have to be persuaded to get Kawhi. What would have happened if Buford wasn’t there?

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11 days 15 hours ago

It’s funny, but god, the Twolves are a mess under Thibs…

Arch Stanton
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11 days 15 hours ago

Apologies for the language in that tweet.

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11 days 22 hours ago

JUST WATCHED ME SOME– “ET”–EMMANUEL TERRY HIGHLIGHTS——DII/ PLAYER OF THE YEAR / BEVO FRANCIS –( IF YOU KNOW THIS PLAYER YOU ARE OLD LIKE ME )—AWARD—IS DEINETELY A “HIGH FLYER “—–AND YES –( ALTHOUGH IT IS REALLY NOT A COMPLIMENT )–HAS A BETTER POST GAME THA T.T.——MAYBE AN INSURANCE TO SEE PRESTON DEVELOP/ BONZI STAYING HEALTHY

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11 days 22 hours ago

Just listened. Could not agree more with EG regarding both this Lakers team, and Allie Clifton. I would just add about the Lakers that they have the most entitled fanbase in American sports – really saying something in a world where Redsox fan, Celtic fan, and Yankee fan exist – so it’s not a Lebron thing with me. I wish every misfortune on the Lakers, and I hope that team implodes this season.

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11 days 22 hours ago

AGREE WITH ALL THAT YOU POSTED ARCH—–GOD JOB !!

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11 days 19 hours ago
Well this is “fake news”…….? Jeff Teague says it didn’t happen and Wolves assistant J Lucas 3 says what players meeting? Ok. This has gone from hilariously bizarre to truly hilarIiously insane. Not sure I have ever heard of/witnessed a more bizarre trade request and (quasi?) holdout in my 32 years. What is this? Have Butler and his agent truly gone insane, or are the wolves and their players trying to quash leaks and go the plausible deniability route? Was there a meeting but only with guys Butler actually likes, a la all the old bulls? He seemingly hurts his leverage by leaking this since it would mean the wolves wouldn’t have to rush to trade him. Why? Why do that if it isn’t true? Why say you would play at all if you truly want to let other teams hammer the wolves with more leverage and thereby get yourself out of there sooner. Maybe he doesn’t/never actually did want to go or changed his mind. Maybe the wolves feel he burned his bridges and are now determined to trade him even if he did change his mind so the response from Teague and J Lucas 3 are closing off… Read more »
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11 days 23 hours ago

I hope the Wolves don’t trade Butler, but instead just let him act like a petulant child, and sit him on the bench the entire season. Maybe occasionally let him run with the 3rd stringers in practice.

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He isn’t wrong about some of the effort and defensive issues from Towns and especially Wiggins. He is the best player on that team based on the advanced stats and how that team performed without him versus Wiggins and Towns lineups. I would say he has more of a point or justification than Kyrie did. I mean you won a ship and the next year you are one unfortunate injury, minor or major, to the warriors from competing and maybe winning a second. The wolves weren’t close and won’t ever be/have a chance until their other two stars got serious about the regular season, defense, and playoff game preparation. They had the talent to compete last year. But they shouldn’t have even been facing Hou/gs if they played better against bad teams in regular season. Doesn’t mean he is justified in his behavior. However, I don’t know if those two guys ever reach their potential without someone calling them out. Doubt Wiggins ever does. Should be interesting to see if Towns progresses from bad defender (with all the potential to be good to great right now) to mediocre defender this year. He went from terrible to just plain bad last… Read more »
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11 days 18 hours ago

He isn’t wrong. but he’s also not doing it for the right reasons. He wants out, and will cry and stomp until he gets his way.

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11 days 17 hours ago

True, though his crying and stomping are very bizarre in that most of the crying and stomping has been very ambiguous with regards to an absolute desire to leave. That would seem to hurt his cause rather than help expedite the situation. Why it is so bizarre. Butler is either not listening to his agent or Leon Rose is just as out of his mind as Butler, because none of what has transpired in the last 24 hours would seem to help his cause more than just sitting out. By leaving open any possibility of coming back, playing, or mending the fences, he just hurts the leverage of the teams who are trying to trade for him right now. He could burn bridges just as easily by sitting out. Or if he wants the paycheck, he could do the same things, but leave no doubt he will not attempt to mend the fences.

Arch Stanton
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11 days 14 hours ago

He wants more $ or a new team. Wolves need to cut salary to accommodate.

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11 days 13 hours ago

I see. Hard to stomach that much money (based on the ringer article) for a 29 year old with an injury history, but I mean Wiggins….for god’s sake. I would have rather had Butler at age 34 and crippled than Wiggins now and maybe forever. If he Butler got his money and aged like wine and somehow managed to rub off defensively/competitively on Wiggins and Towns, it could be worth it. Not for other teams, but for that particular team, I probably would have done it. KD might not even be in GS in a year or two, at which point everything is wide open.

A huge if. But they already tied their hands with Wiggins and and he is a guy that probably needs to be pushed hard. Maybe not Towns, but if Wiggins reaches 4/5 of his potential because he is pushed, it would be worth it. Too bad for them it is a bridge too far now.

Arch Stanton
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11 days 23 hours ago

What happened to Scootchie?

Nate Smith
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11 days 18 hours ago

I don’t think he was a camp invite.

Arch Stanton
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11 days 23 hours ago

I agree that they should add Colson, and not Holland. And definitely not Terry! I’d also rather have Colson over Preston.

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11 days 18 hours ago

Agree. No thanks on Holland. Colson pissed me off the first game I saw him with an effort play on getting back on d. But other than that he has done some nice things. I do think they need another playmaking guard more than anything though. Hill is not that guy. They really don’t have anyone to break down the d other than sexton (vision is a question mark this year) and maybe Cedi. Could be tough to score at times without love on the floor without a penetrating guard. Not sure Sexton can do that consistently and consistently create other’s shots at this point. We know Clarkson can penetrate, but he still seems to be a black hole.

Arch Stanton
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11 days 16 hours ago

To be completely transparent I have no idea who Terry is… I just don’t think I could live with a Terry on the roster.

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11 days 15 hours ago

Ha. I was just talking about Colson over Holland and Preston. I don’t keep track of a lot of the two way guys other than the ones I see in the preseason games or quarters I watch.

I know Terry though. He is a good guy. You should really give him chance.

Arch Stanton
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11 days 15 hours ago

The only Terry I know hates his name so much that he goes by Tito.

JMay
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11 days 23 hours ago

Thank goodness!

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12 days 1 minute ago

MY BAD — TERRY —NOT TAYLOR

Arch Stanton
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11 days 23 hours ago

Terry’s gotta ruin everything!

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12 days 2 minutes ago

SO WHAT GIVES WITH THE CAVS JUST SIGNING —EMMANUEL TAYLOR —6′ 9″ –DIV II PLAYER —-ESPECIALLY WHEN CUTS ARE RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER/ SEASON STARTING ?

JMay
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11 days 23 hours ago

Could just be that they want to take a peek before things settle in. Could be in preparation for later in the season after clearing the roster, who knows. I wouldn’t put stock in it quite yet. Though I am starting to worry about Colson not being on the roster. That’ll make me cranky.

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12 days 1 hour ago

I’m just waiting for Kyrie to alienate all his teammates, and Dredrick Irving to pick a fight with Danny Ainge.

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12 days 1 hour ago

I hope the Warriors and Lakers tie for the rest of eternity.

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12 days 2 hours ago

The basketball media player on mobile is irritating. Just stating my opinion as a user.

Nate Smith
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11 days 23 hours ago

Gonna be a post abt this

JMay
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12 days 2 hours ago

Kyrie Irving is the guy who always thinks he’s the smartest person in the room but is an idiot, in reality.

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12 days 2 hours ago

EG, I agree with your take on Clifton.

Arch Stanton
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12 days 2 hours ago

I would probably go back and forth rooting against the Lakers and Warriors. But I could see myself ultimately rooting for the Warriors over the Lakers.

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12 days 2 hours ago

EVIL—-TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU –( CALL IT OLD SCHOOL )—TIRED OF THESE PRIMA DONNA CRY BABY ATHLETES WHO HOLD COACES / FRANCHISES “HOSTAGE ” BECAUSE FOR WHATEVER REASON ………………GROW THE EFFF UP—-HONOR THE CONTRACT …………….DAMN YOU GOT ME SO WORKED UP —HAVE TO GRAB ANOTHER COLD ONE TO SETTLE THE “OL” NERVES DOWN—-GREAT PODCAST !!!

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12 days 2 hours ago

Plus 1!

Arch Stanton
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12 days 2 hours ago

I still think Boston makes it to the finals, assuming they stay healthy. But I wouldn’t be surprised if Toronto or Indy make it there instead.

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12 days 4 hours ago

—IT IS STILL “AM ” HERE IN OHIO—BUT I HAVE TO TUNE IN AND LISTEN / HAS GOTTEN MY ATTENTION—-GO GET A 6 PACK -( SNAP/ CRACKLE AND BURP )–SIT BACK AND ENJOY———–YES I TOO WAS ROOTING FOR THE DUBS AGAINST THE LAKERS / FUNNY HOW THINGS TURN SO QUICKLY

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12 days 4 hours ago

This sounds like a fun listen.

Tom Pestak
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12 days 7 hours ago

ooo I’m looking forward to this!

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12 days 10 hours ago

Haven’t listened yet, but Kyrie is incredibly boring, as our esteemed Great Leader might say. I don’t need to hear him say anything about anything the rest of my life.

Arch Stanton
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12 days 1 hour ago

I’m sure Kyrie will pay Billy Simmons to write a book titled “Escape from Cleveland – a flat earther’s struggle of making the finals 3 years in a row.”

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