Preseason Recap: Indiana 111, Cleveland 102 (or, We Wanna Be Just Like You, Dad)

Cleveland didn’t have a great day on Monday. I was fortunate enough to attend the Indians’ game three of the ALDS on a blazing hot October afternoon… To be fair, I was was one of the lucky third of the stadium that got to sit in the shade. I was not fortunate enough, however, to see the Indians come away with a win and extend the series to four games. The Astros’ pitching staff took the Tribe to task for three straight games and Cleveland couldn’t get anything going all series. Unfortunately, the Cavs couldn’t get anything going either as they faced down their preseason opponents like they were children in the driveway matching up against Dad and his Dad strength.

To be fair, the Cavs were without team-leader Kevin Love, David Nwaba, Rodney Hood, and Jordan Clarkson so they certainly weren’t playing full strength. Neither were the Pacers, though, and the team served as a good preseason measuring stick for the Cavs as they are essentially the experienced (and better) version of what Cleveland wants to be. Unlike Boston, who looked miffed that the Cavs were actually trying, the Pacers were not only ready to run with Cleveland, they were prepared to unleash their own stable of horses.

The game itself wasn’t all that positive for Cleveland as a 6-2 lead in the first few minutes of the first quarter quickly shriveled away and after the 8:00 minute mark, was never regained. Indiana proceeded to sprint up and down the court, forcing turnovers and getting transition buckets and early scores. The game ended with a final score of 111-102, Indiana. It seemed like the Pacers, more than Boston, took exception to Tristan’s comments about the Cavs still being the gatekeepers of the Eastern Conference. They simply put on their Dad Hats and showed Cleveland what they do best: hounding defense and quick offense. It was oddly reassuring to see just how good Indiana was at this kind of basketball. I say this because I would absolutely love for the Cavaliers to continue down this path and pursue a play style similar to the Pacers, as it seems they are attempting to. I hope these Cavs can grow up to be just like them, it’s fun basketball.

Instead of dwelling on the minutiae of the game, I thought I’d give some brief reviews of each of the players who actually played, since that’s all we’re really here for during the preseason. Let’s get started:

Collin Sexton got the start last night and unfortunately was not able to replicate the offensive efficiency we’ve been graced with so far. He only managed to go 1-7 from the field and plenty of those were of the long-two variety. Darren Collison and Victor Oladipo were simply taking advantage of his youth and inexperience. He had three turnovers in his 22 minutes, a couple of those were just careless swing passes. Those can be cleaned up and I like that he’s content to swing the ball rather than pound the rock into oblivion, a very welcome change to Cleveland Basketball. I also like that Collin showed no hesitation in his decision making on the court. Yes, some of those decisions were blunders, but it’s good that he can receive the ball and immediately knows what to do with it, he’ll know better what to do with the ball as he progresses in this league. Finally, Sexton didn’t have his shot going but his drive and kick game was strong. He had only 3 assists, but that number should have been higher as he hit plenty of open shooters out on the perimeter, they just missed their shots. He’s going to have games that aren’t quite as stellar. Hopefully, he learns from them and is better next time.

George Hill was the other starter opposite Sexton and he had a very up and down game. At one point, he was isoing into the Kyrie corner of no-man’s land and I was upset. On the other hand, he managed 4 steals, 5 assists, and 7 rebounds to add to his 10 points. So he had a pretty decent all around floor game, despite going 3-10 from the field and 1-4 from behind the three point line.

Cedi Osman’s time in this game was very brief as he spent his first 7 minutes in the game, registering 5 points and 2 rebounds, including a sweet stroke from three that hit nothing but net. Good to see Cedi’s confidence rising with his three-point shot. After coming out in the first quarter, Cedi did not return to action because of a sore ankle. Likely this is just being super precautious during preseason.

Sam Dekker started in place of Love and boy do I hope he’s not logging 32 minutes a night very often. He went 3-12 from the field good for 10 points and he had a couple steals to pair with it. However, it’s clear that Dekker just isn’t much more than a bottom of the bench kind of guy. He managed to get absolutely stuffed at the rim on two separate occasions. He took Indiana’s “Dad” status a little too seriously as he looked like a 10 year old trying to take it straight at Pops, only to get stuffed by a Father who would rather teach you a lesson than let you have any fun trying to dunk on a 6 foot rim… I hope he’s not Love’s primary backup all season long.

Larry Nance Jr. got today’s nod at starting center and looked pretty good in his 21 minutes. He only logged 2 fouls and that’s not bad for the foul prone big man. He finished the game with 8 points on 4-7 shooting, 7 rebounds, and 2 assists. Nance is getting far more freedom in this new era. He was bringing the ball up the court and getting the Cavs into their offense on a couple occasions. He even launched a corner three that didn’t look awful. Nance really does look like he’s poised to take another step forward in his career. Hopefully he can up his game and expand his abilities.

JR Smith was one of the first off the bench in this one and 6 points, 3 assists, a steal, and 2 turnovers. He went 0-2 from three and I was a bit concerned about what looked like a reluctance to shoot from distance. He had several opportunities to launch from deep (his trademark), and eschewed the opportunity for a dribble drive or a pass off. Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate that he may be able to try some different things and work with getting young guys going in the preseason, but if that reluctance continues during the regular season his already rock bottom value will start sinking into the water table.

Tristan Thompson didn’t get the start but did show that he has quite a lot of chemistry built up with the few holdovers on this Cavs team. He had several good dives to the hoop where JR was able to get him the ball for some close baskets. He also worked the screens with Korver really well. That will probably be TT’s saving grace this season as he’s one of the only players who’s got any significant history playing with other people on this team. He finished the night with 7 points, 3 assists, 7 rebounds and a pretty sweet block on Sabonis at the rim.

Isaiah Taylor was the primary backup point guard and he was pretty bland throughout with the exception of a nice finish to beat the third quarter buzzer. Taylor didn’t do much more than swing the ball and dive to the hoop. Honestly, that might be just enough for him to make a team that’s in desperate need of a third point guard. He finished with 4 points, 3 rebounds, 3 assists, and a block in 20 minutes.

Kyle Korver was the shining star tonight as he was the primary beneficiary of near constant perimeter screens and hand offs to get open for shots. And he was definitely getting open. Korver was able to fire in 17 points in only 20 minutes, going 6-10 from the field and 4-7 from beyond the arc. This is good news all around. If the Cavs exceed expectations, he’ll be a weapon throughout the season. His play will only increase the likelihood that a contender will give up a protected first for him at the deadline. Good to see La Flama Blanca still has fire on his hands.

Billy Preston wasn’t particularly impressive in his 4 minutes of play. His first shot was a long two air ball. Still, I like his length and I think he’s got promise. I hope he makes the team.

John Holland was the star of the fourth quarter as he poured in 14 points in 12 minutes going 5-7 from the field and 3-3 from distance. To be honest, Holland looked totally in control in the fourth and looked to be a step above in terms of comfortability and his role within the offense. He added 3 assists to his point total and actually looked fairly decent. The problem is that this performance is his absolute ceiling and it came in relative garbage time during the preseason. It would be a very Cleveland thing to do to be seduced by performances like these and give him one of the valuable remaining roster spots rather than giving it to someone who can grow and have a much higher ceiling than Holland. I hope that doesn’t happen.

Bonzie Colson also looked pretty good. His offense is definitely not where it needs to be, though he still put in 8 points in 10 minutes of work. His timing is a bit off and he seems a little too out of control on that end. Still, he put up a stat line of 8 points, 1 assist, 3 rebounds, and a block in his limited playing time. That’s a well balanced line and one of those rebounds should have been a steal as he pulled away a rebound from the Pacers to put it back for a dunk. He’s short but his arms are so dang long it doesn’t really matter. The best part is, he uses that length well. He should be getting a roster spot.

Ante Zizic didn’t get into the game until about 8 minutes left in the fourth. From there, the game was largely out of reach. However, he continued to show his offensive efficiency in the midrange game. He went 3-3 from the field and showed a pretty decent face up game. He added 3 rebounds and an assist with the rest of his efforts.

Kobi Simmons was the last Cavalier to see action tonight and had a mixed bag performance. He had 5 points, 2 assists, and a rebound, including a smooth three in the last 30 seconds of the game. But he also had 2 turnovers and was getting burned almost every time down the court on the defensive end. Taylor will almost certainly get the nod for the last guard spot before Simmons does.

As far as preseason losses go, this one isn’t too bad. Like I said, there was something oddly comforting in seeing the Cavs face off against the team they are most trying to resemble. It was like watching a Dad beat his son on the driveway all the while showing the boy the tools he would one day need to beat him. If the Cavs can continue to grow and show progress throughout the season, they could look pretty close to that team in a year or two. Hopefully, the days of ISO offense are long behind Cleveland. The Cavs finished the game with 27 assists but nobody had more than 5 individually. That’s a good sign. There should be plenty more to come. As always, Go Cavs!

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JOHN B
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JOHN B
2 months 7 days ago

Ball’s release does look a little different and better.

CLF
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CLF
2 months 7 days ago

I hadn’t noticed much of a difference, but if Kidd can do it, I don’t put it past him to do it as well.

JOHN B
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JOHN B
2 months 7 days ago

He isn’t bringing it all the way across his body as much it seemed to me. Not as much wind up. Ball is higher. Still funky though.

CLF
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CLF
2 months 7 days ago

OK… that does seem to be an improvement.

JOHN B
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JOHN B
2 months 7 days ago

KD fouls out of……a preseason game……in the third quarter. Wow guess the officials are calling all the fouls in gs tonight instead of when it actually matters. Also most of these rule changes benefit gs almost more than any other team. Can’t impede progress on perimeter. Quick reset for shot clock obviously benefits faster paced teams, etc.

EvilGenius
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2 months 7 days ago

MikeO
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2 months 7 days ago

Have the Lakers played every freaking preseason game at home?

JOHN B
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JOHN B
2 months 7 days ago

It’s in Vegas no?

EvilGenius
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2 months 7 days ago

MikeO
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MikeO
2 months 7 days ago

Yeah, my bad, tuned in late. Seems like every other game of their has been in LA, though.

EvilGenius
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2 months 7 days ago

Angry Hedgehog joins the halftime show… LOL

CLF
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CLF
2 months 7 days ago

think he’ll be good? I think he has a chance to be really entertaining lol

EvilGenius
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2 months 7 days ago

Anything is better than Jalen, CWebb and Amin El Hassan…

CLF
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CLF
2 months 7 days ago

lol.. you right EG.

MikeO
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MikeO
2 months 7 days ago

Jalen is absolutely the worst. No idea how he keeps his job other than ESPN wants to be ‘hip’ somehow…

CLF
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CLF
2 months 7 days ago

yup… Jalen is terrible. He’s gotta have kompromat on somebody there.

JOHN B
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JOHN B
2 months 7 days ago

Yeah. Jalen is whatever. Webber doesn’t add much. Cannot stand the warriors fan boy that is Amin.

Wish Anthony and Legler were still doing games. Or the Barry’s. I even like Walton’s weirdness and hippy positivity about just about everything he sees.

JOHN B
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JOHN B
2 months 7 days ago

I sort of want to see both Van Gundys at once. I wonder how weird that dynamic would be. It would be an improvement over Mark Jackson I think.

EvilGenius
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2 months 7 days ago

We’d have to do a “Too Many Cooks” version with Van Gundys…

JOHN B
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JOHN B
2 months 7 days ago

I think it would devolve into them talking over each other about officiating minutiae.

EvilGenius
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2 months 7 days ago

Bron with the half court three to end the half… JR would be proud…

EvilGenius
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2 months 7 days ago

Ingram looks like a sleepy clown with those tights…

JOHN B
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JOHN B
2 months 7 days ago
One last thing on the incredibly entertaining Butler saga. It appears after reading the insults he directed at KAT and KAT’s camp reaction to it, that he burned his bridges with KAT and therefore Minny. Still what a gloriously strange and epic way to go out. Additionally, after learning Rachael Nichols just happened to be in Minny, it appears the whole thing was staged for…..leverage? I don’t get it though. Why leave any comments that allow for the possibility of a mending of the rift? Why show up at all and say you need me to win and then go out and prove something everyone already knew? Why not just hold out? Very mixed messages. His strategy to force a trade is truly and hilariously bizarre if he truly does want out and this isn’t just some weird reverse psychology game to mess with KAT and Wiggins’ heads. This is a really funny tongue in cheek article about the contradictions in his trade strategy: https://slate.com/culture/2018/10/jimmy-butler-minnesota-timberwolves-practice-the-all-star-scorched-the-earth-and-burned-his-teammates.html Maybe in some strange world he changes his mind in the next week or so, patches up his relationship with KAT and Wiggins, and they somehow get duped into buying into Butler’s insane psycho grinder… Read more »
EvilGenius
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2 months 7 days ago

LeBron getting gift calls in the purple and gold… LOL

CLF
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CLF
2 months 7 days ago

LeBron’s found his new “JR” in Lance lmao

EvilGenius
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2 months 7 days ago

Bron’s gonna get a lot of triple doubles this year…

EvilGenius
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2 months 7 days ago

Rondo should never be a trailer…

CLF
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CLF
2 months 7 days ago

Man… LAL’s starters can’t even gain ground on GSW’s 2nd team.

EvilGenius
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2 months 7 days ago

This Lakers team can run… but they cannot defend… at all…

CLF
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CLF
2 months 7 days ago

Yup… and they can’t really shoot either IMO.

CLF
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CLF
2 months 7 days ago

Lonzo Ball with terrible defense gives up a Curry 3… then airballs a 3.

EvilGenius
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2 months 7 days ago

Lonzo (aiiiiiiiiiir) Ball…

EvilGenius
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2 months 7 days ago

Anyone about to watch Lakers/GS?

CLF
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CLF
2 months 7 days ago

I did wanna peek into that one…. but golf is on too LOL… love the Asian swing on the tour.

EvilGenius
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2 months 7 days ago

Man, I’m golfed out after the FedEx and the Ryder Cup…

CLF
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2 months 7 days ago

unhealthy obsession… but I feel ya after that display by the Americans lol. I got the double screen going now since they’re playing the starters right now.

EvilGenius
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2 months 7 days ago

Wow… Heat just dropped 140 on the Pellies… Bam Adebayo with 26 and 12 in just 27 minutes!

CLF
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CLF
2 months 7 days ago

High, high ceiling for that fella.

EvilGenius
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2 months 7 days ago

Yeah, no wonder Minny asked for him in a Butler deal….

CLF
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CLF
2 months 7 days ago

really? I never saw what the parameters of the potential deal were… but I imagined there were pretty steep since it didn’t happen.

EvilGenius
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2 months 7 days ago

Yeah, I’d heard some rumors of them wanting RIchardson and either Bam or a number one pick…

CLF
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2 months 7 days ago
CLF
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CLF
2 months 7 days ago

and apparently 22 points 7 assists tonight… pretty good.

JOHN B
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JOHN B
2 months 7 days ago

8-18. 4-8 from three. Not bad. Probably peak efficiency for him this season.

CLF
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CLF
2 months 7 days ago

Yup… he turns that in most nights, you’d have to say they’d be ecstatic about that.

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buck turgidson
2 months 7 days ago

actually, the trade of wiggins (and blubber-boy) for k love keeps looking better.. wiggins has certainly not lived up to his advanced billing… nothing but am immature child cashing the checks.. looks like lbj had some good instincts on that transaction..

JOHN B
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JOHN B
2 months 7 days ago

Yep. Wiggins is bad. And unfortunately for the Wolves, Towns seems to have all the talent, but not the desire to put it together on both ends.

CLF
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2 months 7 days ago

IMO Towns is frustrated by the players around him. Not excusing some of the lax play, but always happens in basketball… if you don’t feed the big men, they don’t stay engaged. I watched Teague and Wiggins continually neuter their offense when Towns was dominating Houston during the playoffs. I would’ve bench Teague permanently for that nonsense.

JOHN B
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2 months 7 days ago
True. But I think he has to step up and demand it and get on Thibs in that scenario. Of course that does not appear to be his personality, but I think it has to be on that team. It is also maybe why, along with his defense, Butler and him cannot coexist. He is probably the second most or most offensively gifted big man in the league. He needs to recognize that. Also his defense is still way way underwhelming, as was his effort apparently, according to wolves blogs, against bad teams during the regular season. How does that happen if you are trying to make the playoffs for the first time? Maybe you avoid facing Houston or GS in the first round if you are hungry like a young team should be in the regular season, a la Indy. Wiggins is the real problem and yeesh…..I don’t know how you solve that one. He is terrible due to his own apathy and choice AND they signed him to a max deal. Probably untradeable on that contract. Then again the Knicks and kings still exist so maybe not. He looks utterly checked out a lot of the time. Ironically,… Read more »
CLF
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2 months 7 days ago

Totally agree.. the greats demand it… no question.

Yeah… I’d say Wiggins is the real problem because he’s chucker on offense.

Well said JB.

JOHN B
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JOHN B
2 months 7 days ago

The most disappointing thing about those two is they have the athletic talent to be first or second team defenders. Certainly they could be plus team defenders with only a little focus and effort.

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2 months 7 days ago

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2 months 7 days ago

Yeah it sounds like the situation with Butler is pretty toxic. I don’t envy the TWolves. They should send him to the Nets, if that is what he wants, then watch as he can’t get them to the playoffs.

JOHN B
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2 months 7 days ago

I actually think it is a good sign for the wolves that Butler A. Showed up, and B. Had it out. He called out Towns and Wiggins publicly and proceeded to mop the floor against them and the other starters with the third string. He apparently intends to play according to reports. If Towns and Wiggins actually get serious and actually try on d, grind in practice, and take the games as serious as butler in the early part of the regular season, he may change his mind.

Certainly it was more than uncomfortable for those guys to get their butts handed to them but Butler and the third string while getting their effort called out. Certainly it was probably uncomfortable for Thibs. However, I would say him airing it out and calling them out at practice is a better omen for them than if he just sat and let it simmer. Wolves may still trade him. However, I think the fact he said they need him is an opening for Thibs and especially Towns and Wiggins. Ball is in Towns and Wiggins court. Should be interesting to see how they respond.

Nate Smith
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2 months 7 days ago

Breaking

Arch Stanton
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Arch Stanton
2 months 7 days ago

Your link doesn’t work.

Nate Smith
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2 months 7 days ago

Fixed

Nate Smith
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2 months 7 days ago

Loved the clevinger shade.

Nate Smith
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2 months 7 days ago

Jimmy butler: already legend

JOHN B
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JOHN B
2 months 7 days ago

Awesome. I don’t see how anyone can say that dude is a cancer. Is it a cancer to call out your underachieving, underperforming, and listless teammates when you are the best player on your team and they can’t win without you? Especially when the so called other stars don’t try at all on defense or even take prepping for playoff games seriously.

I mean the dude wants to win or at least wants to play with other grinders. He clearly is more of a winner than Towns or Wiggins ever will be if they continue on their current path. Their on off statistics (+8.4 ppg per 100 poss with Butler on, -4.9 per 100 poss with Butler off) and win loss record (10 and 13 without, 37 and 22 with), showed Towns and Wiggins can’t take that team above 500 without Butler. With Towns an Wiggins on the floor and Butler off the wolves had a -1.2 net rating. With all three on court they had a +10.3 net rating. He is the only reason they were a playoff team last year.

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2018/10/10/17961324/jimmy-butler-timberwolves-tirade-quotes-towns-wiggins-stats-hes-right

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2 months 7 days ago

I definitely understand that the Cavs could be way, way down there at the bottom, but I could also seem them going as high as the #5 seed in the East (looking at Jason’s list).

JOHN B
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JOHN B
2 months 7 days ago

Don’t think there is anyway we are higher than the Bucks or Wizards unless John Wall is a shell because of his conditioning and Howard tanks another team.

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daspec90
2 months 7 days ago

Yeah, I wouldn’t bet much money on that prediction, but both of those teams seem to have plateaued. The Wizards are perennial disappointments, and the Bucks, they had an extra year together and failed to show improvement. I guess I’m optimistically seeing Lue getting the most out of our team.

JOHN B
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JOHN B
2 months 7 days ago

Think Budzenholer will do wonders for the bucks.

JRL
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JRL
2 months 7 days ago

I do t think the Wizards are that much better than the Cavs.

Joeyb
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Joeyb
2 months 7 days ago

I actually think we’ll be bottom five this year. Which is fine. playoffs don’t help this team do anything.

MikeO
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MikeO
2 months 7 days ago

I think bottom 10 at least.Love will probably miss 15 games to injury, anyway, a couple of guys get traded…I’m fine with a team that tries and still retains their top ten pick.

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2 months 7 days ago

Yeah, that’s the hope. Try hard, develop, not intentionally tank at first, then trade all the vets for whatever we can get and let the ping pong balls fall where they may. I think the talk of this team sneaking into the playoffs, though, is way too optimistic. If we retain half of the roster as decent players by opening day next year that would be great. Most of this roster is either not NBA quality or vets on expirings that need to be dealt.

Nance, Love, Osman, Nwaba, Sexton – those five are probably the best hope for us being anything in the future, and three need to be resigned soon.

Maaaaaaaybe Hood turns out useful. Same for Zizic, who is offensively gifted by too slow on D. Colson may one day be a decent rotation guy. If one of those three turns out to be a keeper, that’s success.

Smith, Korver, Hill, Thompson, Clarkson, Dekker, Frye – none of those guys has a future on this team. The only reason to play them is to convince a contender to trade for them.

Nate Smith
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2 months 7 days ago

You realize paragraphs 1 and 4 are at odds with each other here, right?

JoeyB
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2 months 6 days ago

I think they’re actually the same thing

NOMAD
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NOMAD
2 months 7 days ago

which means “without deliberately trying to tank ” cavs keep their draft pick correct ?

Jason
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Jason
2 months 7 days ago

EC: 1) Toronto, 2) Boston, 3) Indy, 4) Philly, 5) Milwaukee, 6) Washington, 7) Miami, 8) Detroit, 9) Charlotte, 10) Brooklyn, 11) Cavs, 12) Bulls, 13) NY, 14) Orlando, 15) Atl

Worst record: 1) Atl, 2) Sac, 3) Orl, 4) Pho, 5) NY, 6) Chi, 7) Cavs, 8) Brk, 9) Dall, 10) Char.

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2 months 7 days ago

so do those picks “fuel ” LeBron’s fire / motivate him / lakers —-we shall see ———————-on a different subject remember when the browns drafted –WARD —-raised a lot of eyebrows –(me included )—-media can’t rave / say enough positives about how great he is playing —–think browns finally have (DORSEY ) A GUY WHO CAN REALLY EVALUATE TALENT

JOHN B
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JOHN B
2 months 7 days ago

He did pretty well this year. If Callaway actually starts catching passes he utterly killed it.

Jason
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Jason
2 months 7 days ago

FWIW, WC picks as of now (no one tamking hard & no Butler deal): 1) GSW, 2) Hou, 3) OKC, 4) Utah, 5) Denver, 6) Minny, 7) Lakers, 8) Portland; 9) NO, 10) SA, 11) Memphis, 12) LAC, 13) Dallas, 14) Pho, 15) Sac.

If Butler is traded, move Minny down to 13th.

Nate Smith
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2 months 7 days ago

If the Spurs are smart they’ll tank and move Aldridge. I don’t know if pop has it in him though.

NOMAD
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NOMAD
2 months 8 days ago

AGREE WITH JASON –( ON DEKKER )—LOW RISK / POTENTIALLY HIGH REWARD ——-PLAY HIM MINUTES —EVALUATE —-MAKE A DECISION—-MEANWHILE GROOMING —PRESTON / BONZI ——IF THEIR IS A CHOICE —ROSTER SPOTS / G-LEAGUE BETWEEN SIMMONS OR HOLLAND— I AM GOING WITH SIMMONS

Nate Smith
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2 months 7 days ago

If you’re a role player, then you’re a specialist. Dekker excels at nothing and his shot is unfixable.

NOMAD
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NOMAD
2 months 8 days ago

it is a travel for “MOST PLAYERS “—-BUT NOT FOR THE “CHOSEN FEW “——UNFORTUNATELY / SADLY

Nate Smith
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2 months 8 days ago

Travel or no? I vote no.

MikeO
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MikeO
2 months 7 days ago

It’s borderline. Harden’s biggest NBA skill is gaming the rules in situations like this. He does it better than anyone else.

Jason
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Jason
2 months 7 days ago

Travel. He takes 3 steps without the ball hitting the ground.

Of course, the NBA never calls it. “Gimmee Three Steps” should be their official theme song. Not to mention all the carrying on every possession.

Jason
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2 months 8 days ago

Every signing does not have to work. Low risk signings like Dekker are good gambles. At worst, he tries hard for 8-12 minutes a night and fits the system on offense as small ball mobile 4.

If his shot gets fixed, you have something. If not, wait for Preston/Colson & move on.

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2 months 8 days ago

Totally agree on Holland, it seems he’s had his chance and he just hasn’t advanced enough to be a contributing NBA player. I’d rather give Colson a chance and see what he can become. Simmons has the athleticism, not sure if he can become a basketball player, but Holland isn’t going any further than where he is right now.

Arch Stanton
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Arch Stanton
2 months 8 days ago

Nate,

It looks like you’re in this video:

EvilGenius
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2 months 8 days ago

Could have/maybe should have been the Cavs GM…

JOHN B
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JOHN B
2 months 8 days ago

Speaking of the Suns, can’t remember last night if it was you or Nate who linked to a Robert Attenweiler ctb piece profiling Kokosov when he was a cavs assistant, but credit to whomever it was. Like what I saw of the Suns offense last night. He has been getting rave reviews by other teams. Golden State of Mind pointed out some nice things he did in their recap and GS announcers were pretty high on some stuff they saw last night if I remember.

Sort of wish we would have kept/hired him. Unfortunately, don’t think the Kyrie teams took to his offense at the time.

A Look Down the Bench at… Igor Kokoskov

JOHN B
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JOHN B
2 months 8 days ago

Suns blog recap of their preseason game against GS. High praise for Ayton and Suns by Cousins and GS play by play guys. I get it. He has really impressed me. Doncic may end up being better in today’s game, but I wish the cavs had somehow lucked out again to get one of those two guys. They will still be a bottom feeder, but Kokosov has done some nice things. Still missing Booker though.

https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2018/10/8/17954180/recap-phoenix-suns-down-warriors-dead-general-manager-bounce-game

Jason
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Jason
2 months 8 days ago

We came close. Sac got #2.

JOHN B
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JOHN B
2 months 8 days ago

Still sort of wild to me they drafted Bagley and then Hawks trade down. I don’t know if I believe the cavs were in the running for that trade.

Nate Smith
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2 months 8 days ago

The rumor was they wanted someone to eat Bazemore’s contract plus a future first plus the lottery pick. IMO, they wanted Trae Young who probably wouldn’t have been there at the Cavs spot. I don’t know if the magic take him over Bamba.

NOMAD
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NOMAD
2 months 8 days ago

jmay do you think preston has a chance to actually make the cavs everyday roster—–or canton charge / 2 way player— I agree I like his physical / athletic potential—–a lot to work on !!

MikeO
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MikeO
2 months 8 days ago

No way he makes Cavs. He straight sucks right now. Worth a 2 way, though.

Jason
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Jason
2 months 8 days ago

Preston is a two way for sure.

Unless there is a trade, Taylor/Colson/Holland for the 15th spot & other 2 way deal.

NOMAD
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NOMAD
2 months 8 days ago

LMAO ARCH—-THANKS FOR THE SUPPORT——I THINK

Nate Smith
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2 months 8 days ago

I think sexton is deferring a lot so far. Also, this is the first real game speed he’s faced as the Celtics played on cruise.

Ben Werth
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2 months 8 days ago

He may be deferring. He may also have no drive game that actually gets him all the way to the cup. I am already fed up with him picking up this dribble just when he should have gained an advantage in the PnR game.

When he pulls up and makes it, people get excited. I’d like to see him blow by a big, take that extra dribble he doesn’t understand and finish through or around contact. Instead, he pulls his dribble and either kicks it out, shoots it, or launches himself too far away from the cup to get into the defender’s body. He has gotten some calls, but he still has shown me nothing in PnR play. He needs to put vertical pressure on the defense. So far, he is Jarret Jack lite.

I have been happy with his weakside three-point shot making. That is a happy development. He defensive footwork has slowly gotten more technically correct. Baby steps there.

JOHN B
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JOHN B
2 months 8 days ago

Think Pacers could challenge Philly, Utah, and Boston for top regular season defense. San Antonio likely falls off without Murray unfortunately. Gs is still probably the best defensive team when they want to be, but I suspect they mess around as usual in the regular season. Suspect Houston falls off a bit. So If you consider the pacers could be in the running for top regular season d and that they were trying and locked in for portions last night, not surprised by an off night for Sexton.

NOMAD
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NOMAD
2 months 8 days ago

SO WILL THE “NECK LENGTH ” BE THE NEXT BIG NBA EVALUATION TOOL ——–HOOD WITH A VERY LENGTHY NECK/ LISTED @ 6’8″–PLAYS MORE LIKE A 6″4′ GAURD —–BONZI WITH –NO NECK / LISTED AT 6’6″ PLAYS LIKE A 6′ 10 ” POWER FORWARD —–SO BASICALLY ( OTHER THAN BEING ABLE TO LIVE )—THE NECK SERVES NO PURPOSE IN YOUR BASKETBALL SKILLS ——OTHER THAN BEING ABLE TO LOOK OVER/ PAST A DEFENDERS ARM TO PASS / SHOOT ———JUST A RANDOM– ( PROBABLY STUPID THOIUGHT I HAD )—–I HAVE ” TOO ” MUCH IDLE TIME– ( THE MRS NOMAD AGREES )—TIME TO GO TEND TO THE “HOPS AND THE CROPS “

Arch Stanton
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Arch Stanton
2 months 8 days ago

Giraffe analytics is the new tool every NBA Scout is implementing to their tool box of analytics.

JOHN B
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JOHN B
2 months 8 days ago

Ha nice.

NOMAD
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NOMAD
2 months 8 days ago

GOOD WRITE UP / ACCURATE SUMMARY————YES HOPE THE CAVS ARE NOT GOING FOR “FOOLS GOLD ” WITH HOLLANDS 4THQTR- (GARBAGE TIME ) HEROICS —–LIKE THE GUY —BUT INVEST IN YOUTH WITH MORE POTENTIAL—-( PRESTON -BONZI —-HELL MAYBE EVEN SIMMONS )——–SEXTON NEEDED A GAME LIKE THAT –(ESPECIALLY BEFORE SEASON STARTS )—TO REALLY GIVE HIM AN ACCURATE TRUE PICTURE OF WHAT QUALITY NBA TEAMS / DEFENSES ARE ———–ANTE HOPEFULLY WILL GET MORE PLAYING TIME —-AND I THINK YOU WILL SEE NWABA GET THE MINUTES THAT DEKKER POSSIB LY WAS GOING TO GET ——-DEKKER– ( AND I HAD HIGH HOPES FOR HIM )–WILL BE YOUR 8 -12 MINUTES / GAME PLAYER ——–A HUGE YES TO CAVS ADOPTING PACERS STYLE OF PLAY —-I CAN TOTALLY BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT !!!!

JRL
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JRL
2 months 9 days ago

I believe I said this after the LeBron to LA craziness but whoever is currently doing the talent recognition is head and shoulders above whoever decided to pick A. Bennet as a #1 pick.

Finding Cedi, asking (I would imagine) for Zz and choosing Sexton instills a sense of trust for the team’s future.

The Pacers are exactly who the Cavs need mimick. Lots and lots of talent and fostering their own All Stars.

JOHN B
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JOHN B
2 months 8 days ago

That was a Grant pick I believe. I think Griffin said DG had to be convinced. Obviously that may have sealed Grant’s fate.

Nate Smith
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2 months 8 days ago

Eh. They’ve had some whiffs. I’m not sold on a lot of guys they are.

Slammin Sam
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Slammin Sam
2 months 9 days ago

You summed it up pretty well JMay! I too wasn’t too disappointed in the Cavs’ performance. They will certainly struggle to score for stretches until Sexton improves his isolation play. But the team is very competent all the way around. It’s nice to see after last year where it seemed like nobody dribbled the ball besides LeBron. And the fact that the game was still entertaining possession to possession in what was basically a blowout says a lot.

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