Podcast Episode 180: We Just Don’t Know

This podcast started out with a fully triggered Tom Pestak ready to rant to David Wood and Nate Smith. Despite plenty to talk about in the world of basketball, the Cavs, sports, and culture, Tom’s ire was focused on a perceived slight towards CtB. This delved into a discussion of the state of Cavs’ media, and a realization that we’re celebrating the 10th anniversary of CavsTheBlog this season. The topics for this anniversary podcast ranged far and wide.

Also catching Tom’s ire? The state of nutrition science today (if that seems random to you, you’re not alone). Tom can’t shake the feeling that despite years of data it feels like we know less now about the topic than we did 20 years ago. “We just don’t know,” was also an apt summation of our thoughts on this Cavs season, as we delved into an array of topics. Manu Ginobili, one of the greatest guards of his generation? Who’s been watching Dion Waiters’ nutrition and could the Cavs use Saint Weirdo? Where will Jimmy Butler end up and can Cleveland be a part of the trade? Why’s Ty Lue putting Rodney Hood on a pedestal?

We also examined LeBron’s trials in L.A., whether we’re rooting for or against him, and whether the Lakers or Cavs have a better shot at the playoffs. We discussed the rumors of Jimmy sliding into his teammates’ girls’ DMs, and channeled our inner Froggy Fresh as we discussed where Jimmy Butler ranks in terms of NBA players. We asked which Morris twin is the stupid one? Will Ty be able to play his best players? What would making the playoffs do for the Cavs future? …and a litany of other topics. We didn’t have all the answers, but we weren’t afraid to ask questions.

As always, you can catch us above, on Soundcloud, Apple Podcasts or Google Play.

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JOHN B
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JOHN B
21 days 13 hours ago

Rookie class update. Mo Bamba is 4/5 and 2/2 on threes for 12 points in 17 minutes in debut. His shot doesn’t look bad. If he shoots a decent percentage from three right off the bat he becomes far more intriguing to me since his development could be further along than I anticipated. He also had 5 fouls in 17 minutes though. Embiid torched him in the post a few times. Not surprising.

JOHN B
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JOHN B
21 days 19 hours ago

Hooray, Lue is not completely crazy. Cedi starting. Hood apparently starting at 2 which is meh. Hill starts at pg. Sexton likely first off bench to begin with. I am ok with that. I am sure he will still get 25-30 mpg in that role. Glad JR has been demoted. Korver is probably best off the bench as a safety valve. Also should keep his minutes in check.

West coast cav
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West coast cav
22 days 14 hours ago

Tom, it’s better to wonder than to know…

JOHN B
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JOHN B
22 days 14 hours ago

Growing pains for the Browns and some pretty awful calls. Mayfield showed some rookie mistakes (miscue on snap call leading to fumble), but he had a stupid amount of drops. Nick Chubb. Maybe get that kid some more carries. He is one big strong kid. Granted Oakland apparently has had issues finishing tackles, but the kid looks extremely difficult to wrap up and take down. Sort of reminds me of Jerome Bettis. Probably broke a total of six to seven tackles en route to his monster touchdown runs. Great blocking both times, but he doesn’t go all the way either time without breaking a ton of tackles.

Arch Stanton
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Arch Stanton
22 days 15 hours ago

Arch Stanton
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Arch Stanton
22 days 16 hours ago

Arch Stanton
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Arch Stanton
22 days 18 hours ago

These NFL officials are royally screwing the Browns. Officiating is as bad as NBA officiating.

John B
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John B
23 days 13 hours ago

Competition wasn’t great, but Doncic looked great in his first preseason game. Had three blocks too.

Slammin Sam
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Slammin Sam
23 days 2 hours ago

His passing looks legit. I don’t trust that shot though and his dribble is really high.

John B
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John B
23 days 2 hours ago

Yeah had the same thoughts on his dribble. But it seems pretty tight as far as his control over it.

Slammin Sam
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Slammin Sam
23 days 39 minutes ago

Agreed. Very interested to see how he does against better competition.

NOMAD
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NOMAD
23 days 23 hours ago

will get back with you JRL ON POTENTIAL HOPS visit next year ——hell I might as well throw an ” ENTIRE CTB HOPS PARTY —-ON THE FARM “——-let me work on that !!!———–GO BUCKS —-little nervous about going there playing in front of their “HOSTILE WHITE OUT ” crowd

JRL
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JRL
24 days 3 hours ago

Lauri Markkanen of Chicago out 6-8wks with elbow injury. That truly sucks. I really like his game. Kids got great talent. Hope he recovers 100%

JRL
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JRL
24 days 4 hours ago

ESPN’s power rankings have the Cavs at 25th place with the Chicago Bulls right above them.

To me that’s about 3 spots low. I think the Bulls, Pistons and Clippers are not as good as the Cavs. We’ll see.

Ben Werth
Editor
24 days 10 hours ago

When in doubt, look at who is funding a study. Most of those previously debunked “studies” were conducted by companies that wanted the public to believe a “thing” is okay so they can make a profit.

If dumping an absurd amount of cheap high glucose corn syrup into preservative laden saw dust passes as “whole wheat bread” then it is not surprising that a food industry would find a way to blame poor health on something else.

Added sweeteners and unnatural preservatives are largely responsible for our poor health as a nation. But those two things are the most profitable players in the game. Money. Always look for the money.

JOHN B
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JOHN B
24 days 3 hours ago

Yeah unfortunately there are a lot of studies out there posing as “academic studies” that are in reality funded by corporate, special interests, and think tanks. On first glance their studies may seem like legitimate peer reviewed academic papers, but in reality they are simple propaganda. From what I have heard the nutritional field has suffered a lot from that quasi and pseudoscience publications.

https://www.npr.org/2016/09/17/494360187/industry-influence-in-nutrition-research

This is exactly what you’re talking about. Nutrition and climate studies have been particularly vulnerable to this type of behavior. In the climate field there are entire publications posing as peer reviewed “academic journals,” but that in reality are directly funded by organizations like coal or oil conglomerates, energy lobbies, or conservative think tanks. None of these publications undergo peer review in the same way actual accredited academic journals do.

JRL
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JRL
24 days 7 hours ago

^ this.

There isn’t anything new here. The person/company that benefits monetarily will always find a way to spin the “research” to their advantage.

Regarding fitness and sports – there is no such thing as nutrition anymore, when talking about the masses or the impoverished. Most NBA kids are coming from low income families where calory count is more important that nutritional value.

Buying/eating processed foods, fast foods, prepackaged foods and following a “normal” American eating diet is the norm for them. This is also a addiction. Sugars/fats/salt are insanely addictive and without being thought the values of a healthy eating lifestyle, these kids are now free to eat at their hearts’ content considering they now have the money they never did to do so.

Extremely depressing that in the days of kings and queens, the wealthy were usually fat while the poor were skinny. Now is the other way around.

We don’t need Dion by the way…

NOMAD
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NOMAD
24 days 16 hours ago

NATE LET ME CHECK—-WE ARE DONE HARVESTING AND PROCESSING —SEE IF THERE ARE ANY PALLLETIZED HOPS LEFT ——-IF NOT WILL PUT YOU ON THE LIST FOR NEXT YEAR—ANYTIME YOU WOULD WANT TO COME VISIT THE “HOPS FARM “LET ME KNOW —-BEST TIME —LATE JULY —EARLY AUGUST —-NOMAD

JRL
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JRL
24 days 3 hours ago

I would love to come over and check out your ops Nomad.

JOHN B
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JOHN B
24 days 19 hours ago

Butler didn’t like Towns’ or Wiggins’ effort and attitude on the defensive side. They are both massive underachievers in that regard. It was apparently woefully evident internally in their first round series against the Rockets. He doesn’t think either is serious about winning.

Hard to justify the teams he had on his list with that attitude. But since Thibs also has had his issues with those guys, I am inclined to believe Butler’s reasons. Towns should be great defensively. Wiggins has the athleticism to be all league. And yet neither have shown any progress under Thibs.

JOHN B
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JOHN B
24 days 20 hours ago
Biology and human nutrition appears to be much more difficult to definitively test a hypothesis one way or another. It is not like physics or chemistry boiling down to basic reactions between base elements/atoms or subatomic particles where mathematics can give give a yes or no proof of hypotheses in certain cases. Even then there is still no unified field theory since certain theoretical and mathematical conflicts between quantum mechanics and relativity have not been solved for yet. On top of that, biology, evolutionary biology, and nutrition seem far more complex in terms of the number of variables that cannot be controlled for. Since the majority of medical studies are observational as opposed to experimental most lack any control over most external variables. Even in experimental drug studies you still have tons of external factors that vary from individual to individual. Similarly, despite having tons of data in a controlled game with rules, there is still a massive human element to bball, both from the refereeing and the players/coaches themselves. You can’t account for how a new teammate will fit into a team because you can’t account for human psychology or the human competence of the individuals trying to fit… Read more »
John B
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John B
24 days 19 hours ago

I guess I should summarize my overall point, which is that even though we as a species have accomplished incredible feats of mechanical and physical engineering, it never surprises me to learn the newest nutritional information or medical research is dead wrong. It is for the same reason that sports can be so unpredictable. The biology of complex organisms and psychology of the human species respectively have far too many variables that cannot be controlled for on a case by case basis making many things far more complex than can be definitely tested for or correlated to in certain scenarios at this point in time.

Raoul
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Raoul
24 days 20 hours ago

4.0: I have my prof hat on today, and I’m giving JOHN B an A for knowledge and also an A for clarity of exposition.

John B
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John B
24 days 19 hours ago

Thanks. Wasn’t sure if the point was clear as far as relating to Tom’s nutrition/biology rant and why we seem to have so much unpredictablity in those fields versus things like engineering or physics.

NOMAD
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NOMAD
24 days 21 hours ago

good read on amico hoops—-sums up the feeling on butler and also where the league —(unfortunately ) is headed

JMay
Editor
25 days 3 hours ago

Tom’s got so many rants built up because he hasn’t podded in so long. Clearly he’s been blocked up for too long.

Tom Pestak
Admin
25 days 3 hours ago

I have so many.

JMay
Editor
25 days 2 hours ago

I thoroughly enjoyed them. I heard Wall was going to take the League by storm this year…

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