The Curious Case Of Rodney Hood

On February 8th, 2018 in the final hours before the 2017-18 NBA Trade Deadline, the Cavaliers front office, namely rookie GM Koby Altman, took part in a series of trades that rocked the Cavaliers’ universe in what was initially a fresh and exciting fashion. In a combination of three separate trades, Altman rid Cleveland of Dwyane Wade, Isaiah Thomas, Derrick Rose, Jae Crowder, and unfortunately, Channing Frye. In return the team received George Hill, Rodney Hood, Larry Nance, Jr., and Jordan Clarkson. In what amounted to a period of about two hours of time, the Cavaliers announced essentially a whole new roster with which to surround LeBron James.

Much of the NBA world and nearly all Cleveland fans lost their collective minds. Seriously, go back and look at the “Podcap” CtB had posted for the previous night’s OT win against the Timberwolves. The thread reached almost 900 comments and that’s just what we had here in our own private beach side community. Twitter was losing its digital feathers over the trades as well. And while there was some disagreements around the NBA world about whether or not the trades were enough, or even good, most of us were just glad to have shipped out the rotten detritus that had attached itself to the roster (excluding the now returned Channing Frye), and replaced them with guys who were younger and more athletic. Unfortunately, Cleveland watched their hopes and dreams slowly stream through the cracks of their fingers as one of the major acquisitions, Rodney Hood, began to show everyone east of the Mississippi why Utah was so willing to trade the lengthy wing.

The Case For Rodney Hood:

Because I’m feeling a bit generous, let’s start out with Rodney Hood’s positives. After all, I like to give most people the benefit of the doubt. While it may have been difficult to see in the final months of the regular season and, in particular, the playoffs, Hood does have some positive aspects to his game.

The main thing to focus on is Hood’s shooting. Yes, yes, I know, Hood shot an unforgivably bad 4 of 24 in last year’s Finals run. I haven’t forgotten and I’ll address it later. For right now, we’ll stick with as much data as we can. For his career, Hood is a very respectable 36.9% shooter from distance and is doing it on 3.4 shots per game. For last season alone, Hood shot 38.3% from three as well as 38.8% on catch and shoot threes. Better than his percentage is his oh-so-smooth stroke. The fundamentals involved in Rodney Hood’s left handed jumpers are something to be studied by aspiring shooters and are most certainly responsible for his shooting successes. Watch the video below as former Cavs coach Phil Handy works with Hood on his jumper. Hood’s shot starts with a nice wide base with his dominant foot slightly forward. From there, Hood lifts the ball straight up followed by the flick of his wrist and follow through with the near-perfect “L” shape of his arm bent at the elbow.

Hood is regularly able to reproduce this shooting motion whether he’s pulling up off the dribble, catching and shooting, driving and pulling up, or stepping back. The ability to replicate his shooting motion allows him to consistently shoot from most anywhere on the court. A shooter in today’s NBA is one of the most valuable pieces of the basketball team puzzle. You can see him in the video below demonstrating and repeating his form. In this game from 2016 Hood goes 8-9 from three for 30 points total. And while this took place more than two years ago, you can see that his shooting motion hasn’t changed when compared to the clip above. These numbers should be able to be replicated on occasion moving forward in his career. Obviously what should be and what is doesn’t always correlate, more on that later.

As mentioned above, Hood is able to replicate his shooting stroke from any motion and is therefore effective at getting his own shot. The Cavaliers were hoping Hood could help ease the play-making burden tasked to LeBron James. Without James being on the team, more of that play-making duty will fall on his shoulders, so it’s good to know that he, at the very least, possesses the technical skills to do so.

Along with his technical skills, Rodney Hood has proven he can be effective in the pick and roll as the main ball handler, something that LeBron hardly ever allowed in his time in Cleveland. With James as the primary ball-handler in nearly every set, the Cavs never developed an offense that could subsist without the superstar on the court. However, per Synergy Sports Technology, Rodney Hood ranks in the 80th percentile of pick and roll ball handlers in regards to offensive efficiency.

He’s also proven to be effective in transition, as Synergy Basketball also references an eFG% of 67% and 62% on spot up jumpers. With a team that is attempting to play faster this season, effective transition games are a must. Getting Hood out in the lane on a fast break is a recipe for success and should pair really well with the addition of Collin Sexton bringing the ball up the court.

Finally, Hood is only turning 26 this year and just entering his prime. Yes, most of his advancements in skill should have occurred by now, but there is still room and time for him to grow as a player. After all, if he puts in the work, there is no reason why his game can’t progress every year he plays considering his play style isn’t necessarily dependent on the hyper athleticism many wings exhibit.

The Case Against Rodney Hood:

Now, those shooting numbers almost make you forget how completely irrelevant they were when the playoffs rolled around. When the pressure was on and LeBron was busy dragging 14 other players through the playoffs to another Finals appearance, Hood was busy bricking three after three after three. He shot only 4 for 24 from distance and largely completely disappeared when the Cavaliers needed him most. Possibly the biggest factor working against Hood is his seeming inability to produce in these high pressure situations.

We all remember  when Hood refused to enter the game during garbage time at the end of Game 4 against the Toronto Raptors. And while it eventually came out that his decision to refuse to enter the game was more out of dissatisfaction with himself rather than the team, his mental fortitude is clearly an issue. I don’t know if it is a result of anxiety issues like those Kevin Love has been outspoken about recently, if he was just mentally and physically exhausted from being a new father to twins (this would wreck any of us), or if he just lost all confidence in his game, but the result was a playoff performance that was extremely wanting.

Rodney Hood refused to enter the game when summoned in the fourth quarter Monday, angering a number of teammates, according to multiple sources. It was the only blemish on an otherwise impressive series sweep for the Cavs. Final Thoughts from the Qhttps://t.co/wcMQ8q0L58

— Jason Lloyd (@JasonLloydNBA) May 8, 2018

Rodney Hood looks the part of an NBA player, his jumper is so smooth he puts soft-serve ice cream to shame, but for whatever reason, Hood plays with no oomph. He has the tools to be successful but can’t get himself to that next level. It shows clearly on the defensive end. Unfortunately, Hood’s wingspan is only about 6’8″ and a bit lacking as far as the NBA is concerned. Instead of making up for that in defensive instinct or effort, Hood seems content to just exist on the defensive end of the court. In the 2017-18 season he averaged just under a steal per game with 0.8 and only 0.2 blocks per game. Seriously, someone of his size can average 0.2 blocks per game by just putting his hands up and playing tight defense. With just the smallest bit of defensive instincts or effort, one would hope a serviceable wing could average at least half a block a game. By comparison, Mario Chalmers averaged more blocks per game than Hood. And while we’re at it, Chalmers averaged more steals as well. He finished the 2017-18 season with a Defensive Rating of 108.6 and was worse once traded to Cleveland as he finished here with a 111.3 rating. He also finished the season ranked 246th in defensive win shares with only 0.02. That’s three spots below Swaggy P…

His less than stellar performances extend beyond defense however, as he doesn’t rebound (he averaged 2.8 last season) and doesn’t generate that many assists, averaging 1.6 per game last season. So while his shot is stellar, he’s mediocre or below in almost every other facet of the game. That includes the mental aspect. Sports journalists, and especially ex-players, love to talk about a player’s “killer instinct”. The Cult of Kobe often cites this intangible aspect of Bryant’s game when trying to leverage his prowess against LeBron’s. We hear about it rather frequently but there isn’t really a way to measure it. Luckily, we don’t need any measuring tools to figure out that Hood doesn’t really have that “killer instinct”. He looks downright passive on the court. Even when he is incredibly effective on the court, his game just doesn’t scream domination and I don’t think it ever will, regardless of what team he’s on.

Final Judgement:

Despite what looks like a strong case against Hood, I’m actually for keeping him… for now. Let me explain. I don’t get too excited when I think about the possibility of actively tanking. I know my fellow writer Nate Smith loathes it. I also hate the idea of losing our pick next season to Atlanta just to get knocked out in the first round of the playoffs or miss them all together. Where I’m going with this is that Hood gives Cleveland empty stats and in this circumstance, that’s a good thing. The Cavs should keep Hood on his qualifying offer, assuming nobody swoops in with a bigger one in the meantime, and hope Hood improves with this new King-less environment. Koby Altman needs to allow him to show off on the offensive end and earn back some of his value then trade him at the deadline for all he’s worth. In this case, we get to watch guys try hard on the court all season while ultimately netting the Cavaliers very few wins. This is the ideal situation for those of us who are opposed to tanking. And hey, maybe Hood surprises us all and finally takes the next step this season.

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scotch
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scotch
3 months 3 days ago

JMay i am in full agreement with your conclusion we should feature Hood in order to sell high. I think he has the skills to be a very valuable CJ Miles type player. The only caveat is he actually had a fantastic finals game we should have won…and that made me think maybe we don’t have the right coach.

And that made me remember we have Tye Lue…and made me think I might not watch games a lot this year. I hope he proves me to be an idiot…

Nate Smith
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3 months 3 days ago

Finally got to read this. Nice piece, jmay.

Arch Stanton
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Arch Stanton
3 months 3 days ago

Watching the 2007 Nuggets vs Lakers. Lots of chucking by Kobe, and Iverson.

Joeyb
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Joeyb
3 months 3 days ago

So my question is…who are we picking at no. 6 next year?

Jason
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Jason
3 months 3 days ago

Yep. Crank up 2019 draft talk.

Teams better than us by a ton = 6: GSW, Boston, Houston, Toronto, Philly, OKC.

Better by a lot = 11: Utah, NO, Denver, Indy, Milwaukee, Portland, SA, Minny, Washington, Lakers, Memphis.

Significantly better = 2: Detroit, Miami.

That leaves 11 dregs: Clippers, Dallas, Charlotte, Chicago, Cavs, Knicks, Hawks, Kings, Suns, Magic, Nets.

As long as we don’t finish top of the bottom, we should keep the pick.

Nate Smith
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3 months 3 days ago

Why have the season? Let’s skip to the draft.

Jack
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Jack
3 months 3 days ago

I love how MikeO never defends his pro-ownership comments regarding Kawhi’s trade demand. Brollo, please explain why you think Kawhi is breaching his contract by demanding a trade, but it isn’t a breach of contract for teams to trade players? The teams are leveraging their position vis-a-vis the CBA by trading players, and the players are leveraging their position in relation to reality (that you don’t want a disgruntled employee). What is the difference?

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3 months 3 days ago

Wtf are you on about, ‘brollo’? A player can be traded unless they have a no trade clause. And please point out where I said he breached his contract, ‘brollo’? And also where I have any pro ownership comments, because they don’t exist, ‘brollo’.

Jack
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Jack
3 months 3 days ago

“That’s why contracts exist, Kawhi. You sign one and it’s binding for both sides. In short, screw you.”
— You

And it’s not the 1st time you’ve said something along those lines. I would just like to understand the logic behind the belief that players who are barred from having no-trade clauses in their contracts for the 1st 8 years of their career and are often traded around like property, are somehow in the wrong for using their leverage to force a trade.

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JOHN B
3 months 2 days ago

They can and it is well within their right. However, the teams should be able to forfeit their salary though and possibly sue for fiscal damages. Same as any other contract. Many breach of contracts in other fields can often result in the party that breached the contract having to pay pecuniary damages to the party they breached the contract with. As the damages from a contract breached can be far more than the simple sum of money forfeited from the party that breached, additional money beyond that of the initial payment/salary could be rewarded by courts to the plaintiffs.

Go ahead and breach away, but the teams can and should forfeit the money to be paid and sue for damages. Most corporations would.

Jack
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Jack
3 months 2 days ago

The teams have the right to fine them/withhold their salary if they don’t play. I don’t see in what world they would have any right to sue for damages outside of that. The players are employees rendering services in exchange for a salary. I’ve never heard of a situation where a company can do anything besides withhold salary when an employee, even a high-level executive, refuses to show up for work. The only caveat is that all contracts at that level have a noncompete, so you can refuse to show up, but you don’t get paid and you can’t get another job.

Joeyb
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Joeyb
3 months 3 days ago

You are right. He only breaches when he doesn’t show up to work (questionable in his case).

JRL
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JRL
3 months 3 days ago

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newnomad
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newnomad
3 months 3 days ago

MELO MIGHT DECIDE TO GO BACK WHERE IT ALL STARTED –DENVER

CLF
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CLF
3 months 3 days ago

Only way he can be redeemed!!! LOL

newnomad
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newnomad
3 months 3 days ago

Porter with 2nd back surgery within a year—–wish the young man luck—but am glad the cavs did not draft him

JOHN B
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JOHN B
3 months 3 days ago

Yeesh. Very unfortunate. I do second MikeO though. Tough luck, but getting an Embiid is not likely.

MikeO
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MikeO
3 months 3 days ago

Yeah, saw that. I kind of doubt he plays this year, and who knows about after that…so glad the Cavs passed. They absolutely could not take that chance with their first high pick in years…

JRL
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JRL
3 months 3 days ago

Sucks for the kid. Hopefully he heals properly and can play again.

JRL
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JRL
3 months 3 days ago

I’m trying to decide what would make the most sense for Melo. Houston? That’s the first one that comes to mind but I’m not sure he would help. Plus didn’t he and D’Antoni not get along?

MikeO
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3 months 3 days ago

Doesn’t make much sense, but I’m sure that’s where he’s going…

Arch Stanton
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3 months 3 days ago

Oklahoma City has agreed to trade Carmelo Anthony and a protected 2022 first-round pick to Atlanta for point guard Dennis Schroder and Mike Muscala, league sources tell ESPN. Anthony will be waived, and he will join team of his choice. Rockets are frontrunner.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) July 19, 2018

Jason
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3 months 3 days ago

Dual take out the trash trade.

Jason
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Jason
3 months 3 days ago

Still, OKC gets a decent backup for Russ. Could help come PO time. Win for OKC.

Arch Stanton
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Arch Stanton
3 months 3 days ago

Lol. OKC traded Melo to the Hawks for Shroder.

MikeO
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MikeO
3 months 3 days ago

Assuming Schroeoder isn’t in jail or deported…

Arch Stanton
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Arch Stanton
3 months 3 days ago

It would be funny if the Hawks won’t buy him out.

Arch Stanton
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Arch Stanton
3 months 3 days ago

It's official.
Welcome back, @Channing_Frye!
DETAILS: https://t.co/Q6yFRXXOpu#AllForOne pic.twitter.com/ZZyfdyQdVE

— Cleveland Cavaliers (@cavs) July 19, 2018

Arch Stanton
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Arch Stanton
3 months 3 days ago

The Indians should be fun to watch again.

Slammin Sam
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Slammin Sam
3 months 3 days ago

Why? Did they switch sports? JK!

Arch Stanton
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Arch Stanton
3 months 3 days ago

😂😂😂

Phase 1#ComeHomeLeBron2021 https://t.co/8MLkV5tSDQ

— Ben Axelrod (@BenAxelrod) July 19, 2018

JoeyB
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3 months 3 days ago

Straight up mocking Sexton.

MikeO
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MikeO
3 months 4 days ago

Celtics sign Smart. I would bet one hundred bucks that he gets traded in the next two years. Or rather, his contract gets traded.

Jack
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3 months 4 days ago

Rodney Hood is as good as gone. If he hasn’t gotten an offer sheet by now, he’s probably not going to get one, and historically (as far as I can remember) guys who play on the QO generally don’t re-up because either they feel disrespected they had to, and/or didn’t play well enough to warrant their team paying up for a big contract.

Chances of them trading him during the season are pretty bleak because guys on the QO have a no-trade clause (because a trade affects their bird rights) and will be looked at as a rental. The only possibility would be if he lights it up and the Cavs find a playoff contender that really needs help and will take a flyer on a rental with a history of choking that Hood also is willing to go to. (Although, he may want to stay away from the playoffs to keep his value up, if he does play well in the reg season).

JoeyB
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JoeyB
3 months 4 days ago

There is still the option for both sides to agree to a longer term deal.

John B
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John B
3 months 3 days ago

No thanks. Don’t want any cap flexibility long term locked up by hood.

JoeyB
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JoeyB
3 months 3 days ago

Doesn’t have to be a large extension.

Jack
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Jack
3 months 3 days ago

Yeah, there’s the option, but the historical precedent is pretty flimsy.

Jason
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Jason
3 months 4 days ago

I would play Hood, but not start him.

My biggest issue with Lue is that he gives minutes to players who don’t hustle, don’t play smart, and are net negatives on the court. All while not playing guys who are the opposite.

You should have to earn minutes. If he doesn’t, he can watch from the bench. Same for Hill, JR, TT, and Clarkson.

Arch Stanton
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Arch Stanton
3 months 4 days ago

The sports book 5Dimes has put out some early over-under win totals for the 2018-19 season and as far as the Cavaliers go, the bar has been set pretty low.

As in, 26.5 wins.

– Sam Amico

Well then that should guarantee a top ten pick.

MikeO
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3 months 4 days ago

Without putting much thought into it, and before seeing this figure, I had around 30 wins in my mind, maybe pushing 35 if Sexton is somehow in ROY conversation. A couple of injuries and I can easily see mid 20 win range.

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3 months 4 days ago

I might take the under. This team has an unrealistic view of itself. LBJ made them all much better than they were. They are going to be surprised how bad they are, and because they are not mentally tough, they’re going to fold. In my opinion. I’ve been wrong plenty before. But Love’s teams in MN never won anything with him as the best player. Our second best player is either Osman or Sexton, both of whom are nowhere near stars, if ever they will be. George Hill or Larry Nance are our second best players. Neither can create by themselves. They are good role players.

The talk that this team can contend is blind optimism. I’m okay with that. I’ll still enjoy watching the young guys develop. I just hope Koby isn’t serious saying that they believe they can contend, or he’s an even worse evaluator of talent that we believed based on that IT trade.

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3 months 3 days ago

Maybe Cavs want to have cake and eat it too: Act like they are contenders to sell tickets the first half of the season, then look into trades or shutting down the vets with injury histories during the second half.

If Cavs are anywhere near bottom-10 of the league down the home stretch, why not do some selective tanking to keep the pick?

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Charlie E
3 months 4 days ago

Seems plausible with continued decline of JR and TT, followed by some legit end of the year tanking, but maybe they can gel around Sexton / Love and go on some runs.

Jason
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3 months 4 days ago

If Love plays all year, 35ish. If Sexton is really good (is respectable from 3), then 40.

JRL
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JRL
3 months 4 days ago

I would go with 32-36 if Love is playing a season. I may go 30-41 if Sexton averages 16+ ppg.

JRL
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3 months 4 days ago

*All

JRL
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JRL
3 months 4 days ago

*39-41

scott
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scott
3 months 4 days ago

If Sexton avgs 16 ppg and Love plays the whole season, I am still taking the under on that one. I think under 30 wins even if those two things happen. Kevin Love in 2018 as your best player is not beating anyone.

JRL
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JRL
3 months 4 days ago

Play Hood and see what he brings. It’s a win win situation.

@Gordon- how did the Spurs screw up this trade?

They traded a guy who missed 73 gmaes last season, said he wants to go to the Lakers and only has one year left on his contract for a solid scorer, east all-star, with three years left on his contract.

Toronto screwed up big time.

Mike Schreiner
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3 months 4 days ago

Fun piece, Justin. Really enjoyed it.

Arch Stanton
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Arch Stanton
3 months 4 days ago

Cavs playing Lakers on X-Mas

NBA Xmas day TV schedule out:
Noon-Raps@Spurs
2:30pm-Houston@Warriors
5pm-Lakers@ Cavs
7:30pm-Sixers@Celtics
10pm-Knicks@Dallas (Knox vs Doncic)

Other games:
Jazz@Bucks
Wolves@OKC

— david b. thorpe (@coachthorpe) July 18, 2018

JRL
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JRL
3 months 4 days ago

Great bball day.

JoeyB
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JoeyB
3 months 3 days ago

Not for Cavs fans.

Arch Stanton
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Arch Stanton
3 months 4 days ago

I don’t feel strongly one way or the other. I just wouldn’t pay too much for Hood.

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newnomad
3 months 4 days ago

joeyb agree totally with you on cavs ‘rushing / panicing ‘ on the kyrie trade vs the pop / spurs holding to their guns waiting for the right value—-although on the bright side ( might be premature in saying this )–we did get ANTE / SEXTON WHICH ISN’T A TOTAL LOSS

Raoul
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3 months 4 days ago

Totally disagree with you both.

Did you guys forget that:

1. KI was injured, and hardly played this year?
2. KI has old knees. He is unlikely to EVER be as good again?
3. KI is a head case under the best of circumstances?
4. Plus lots more?

The only problem is that he did not reveal his demands earlier so we could have gotten some much better returns for him. Now his trade value has plummeted due to points 1 – 4 again.

Jason
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Jason
3 months 4 days ago

We could have landed CP3 if he had said something earlier.

JoeyB
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JoeyB
3 months 4 days ago

I agree on your assessment completely. Keep Hood. He’s still young and can improve, although he probably won’t (Unless the cause of his passivity and confidence is, in fact, a medical issue, like anxiety, that is addressed). Let him show improvement and then trade him for what we can, if anything. 1% chance he actually turns it around and, if so, great.

Arch Stanton
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Arch Stanton
3 months 4 days ago

I would also say consider the source…

JoeyB
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JoeyB
3 months 4 days ago

Take this as exhibit A of why San Antonio and Toronto are better run organizations than the Cavs. Kawhi made a demand, and Pop didn’t panic and trade him for whatever he could get. Toronto didn’t care about his “preferences” not to play in Toronto. They both know that if a player doesn’t report to practice or games, they don’t get paid, and all value they have plummets for their next contract.

When Kyrie demanded a trade, a good GM and organization would have done one of two things;
1. Said “No.” and let him sit out for two years, with a movie coming out, with shoe deals, etc. Let him throw a hundred million away for petulance. (He wouldn’t). Then try to repair the relationship because he was a superstar.
2. Said, “Only if we get a superstar in return.” Instead, they rushed to get any deal done they could. They admitted that – that they felt that HAD to get it done before training camp.

I’m not saying this Kawhi deal is or isn’t a good one, I’m just saying that smart organizations don’t panic when a player demands a trade.

EvilGenius
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3 months 4 days ago

Kyrie requested a trade on July 24th of 2017… Cavs traded him to Boston on August 22nd…
Kawhi requested a trade on June 15th of 2018… Spurs traded him on July 18th…

About the same amount of time.

Kyrie (when healthy) is a top 20 player in a League flooded with good PGs…
Kawhi (when healthy) is a top 5 player, and arguably the best two way player in a League with very few of them…

While DeRozan is a better all around player than IT… when healthy, IT finished in the top 4 in MVP race… doubtful DeRozan ever finds himself in such a race… especially since he can’t hit a three to save his life…

Zizic and Poeltl is much closer to a wash than most would admit…

Unprotected lottery pick (Sexton) is a far better asset than top 20 protected pick that will be close to the end of the round…

Kyrie trade wasn’t great… Spurs trade isn’t either…

Joeyb
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Joeyb
3 months 4 days ago

Kawhi asked for a trade a year ago.

EvilGenius
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3 months 4 days ago

Not officially…

Gordon
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3 months 4 days ago

Wait, the Spurs traded Kawhi before the season started for DeRozan and a heavily protected first round pick, and they somehow made a great trade? This trade sucks for San Antonio. I am not so sure that Pop didn’t trade him to Canada for an OK return simply to tell Kawhi to go !@#$ himself. Not kidding.

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3 months 4 days ago

Why is Kyrie’s health never a part of these arguments?

Raoul
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Raoul
3 months 4 days ago

Because reality does not fit Joey B’s make believe world where every thing is the Cav’s fault.

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3 months 3 days ago
No, because it’s irrelevant. Hindsight is he got injured. IT sucked before last year and was actually injured at that moment of the trade, not in hindsight. I remember very clearly stating that IT would not play 1 meaningful minute for the Cavs in the playoffs, before the trade was finalized. It was obvious to anyone who watches basketball objectively. Irving is injury prone, which is a relevant consideration for any team trading for him. However, he was also a legitimate superstar, with the best handles and finishes in the league. Better than MVP curry. He was a HUGE asset. under a reasonable contract for 2 years. We we got Sexton and an injured IT and some role players. That’s called getting 2 quarters for a dollar. The trade sucked, and CavsDan panicked. They dealt from a position of weakness. Say we called his bluff, and he actually elected for surgery and sat out the year. He would STILL be a more valuable asset than Sexton. Do you think Boston would trade Irving for Nance and Sexton right now? Not in a million years. And that is assuming that Irving elected for surgery, elected to sit out an pout for… Read more »
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3 months 4 days ago

I’m not sure the Cavs necessarily traded with Boston to do any deal that they could – I think they just whiffed completely on the amount of talent they thought they were getting. IIRC, Milwaukee and Phoenix had offers but seemed like on paper, Boston’s offer was pretty good. I mean a guy that had just finished top 5 in MVP voting, a seemingly prototypical 3 and D guy who was like top 30 in RPM, the Nets pick + Zizic had many of us debating which side won the deal. Of course, the Cavs valuation of Isaiah Thomas was highly off but on paper it wasn’t as bad as it turned out in reality. I think the biggest mistake was not demanding one of the Celtics young pieces after the medical info came out.

Raoul
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3 months 4 days ago

We will see how your theory holds up when and if Kawhi starts fighting the Raptors.

Arch Stanton
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Arch Stanton
3 months 4 days ago

Also… If Toronto gets the sense by Thanksgiving that Leonard is leaving regardless, it can try to flip him to the Lakers or Clippers. The Raptors won’t make themselves whole in such a deal, but they could recoup enough of what they traded as to make today’s move almost risk-free.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24128608/zach-lowe-kawhi-leonard-trade-spurs-raptors-nba

MikeO
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3 months 4 days ago

Yep. I think it’s a good gamble by them. Worst part was it’s not a good look selling out a loyal guy like Derozan.

MikeO
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MikeO
3 months 4 days ago

That’s why contracts exist, Kawhi. You sign one and it’s binding for both sides. In short, screw you.

Jack
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3 months 4 days ago

Why do people think it’s perfectly fine for a team trade a player on a dime, but when a player demands a trade it’s a sin? I don’t understand this ridiculous world people live in where they demand upstanding loyalty from players, but not from organizations. The only reason more players don’t have no-trade clauses is because they are restricted by an owner-friendly CBA.

The NBA is a business on both sides. The owners pay the players and the players generate revenue for the owners. An organization’s business goals are generally to put the most profitable and successful team they can on the court, and a player’s business goals are to play in the most profitable and comfortable situation for them. They both have the right to accomplish their goals by any means at their disposal.

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newnomad
3 months 4 days ago

cast my vote in FAVOR of keeping him—just think coming over at trade deadline / any player playing with LeBron is going to go thru a HUGE ADJUSTMENT /—-THINK / HOPING ty will coach differently now that LeBron is gone / HOOD IS STILL RELATIVELY YOUNG —BELIEVE HE HAS LEGITIMATE POTENTIAL!

Gordon
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Gordon
3 months 5 days ago

Agreed on the final judgment. We need to tank if we actually want to become a title contender again. That’s the most probable way to do so.

Raoul
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Raoul
3 months 4 days ago

+1

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