Cavs, Pistons, Twolves discussing 3-team trade that would give Cavs 1st & 2nd picks, sources say.
Cavs absorb Rip Hamilton into 14.6 mill trade exception & get Det’s 8th pick. Cavs send 4th & 8th picks to Minny for 2nd pick
Cavs would then draft Kyrie No. 1 and Derrick Williams No. 2. Nothing imminent but trade us being discussed by the teams.
Update from Scott Sargent at WFNY:
Source close to WFNY places considerable doubt on reported #Cavs rumors.
Says Pistons would demand more, #Cavs not valuing Williams enough to burn picks; would rather pick 1, 4 and 8.
I don’t really understand what a trade exception does. Would this mean that the Pistons are trading Hamilton to the Cavaliers, or merely his salary obligation?
This would be absolutely amazing if it takes place. Has any NBA team ever picked first and second before?
It means the Cavs are trading, essentially, an expiring contract equal to Rip Hamilton’s contract to the Pistons. And then Rip would come to the Cavs, and, I assume, the Cavs would then negotiate a buyout with Rip, and he could sign wherever he wanted.
Does that make sense?
So, the Pistons get cap relief in return for their #8 pick. Then we send the #8 and #4 to Minny.
The trade exception is basically a way to avoid having to match salaries in a trade. It means that the Pistons can trade away Hamilton to essentially have a lower payroll.
I don’t expect this to happen, but I can see how it would benefit all 3 teams. The Cavs definitely need more young talent and Williams fills the gaping hole at SF and can be part of a future core of Irving, Williams, and Hickson along with the 2012 1st rounder. Minnesota doesn’t have a need at the SF or PF positions and could trade down and still pick up Enes Kanter (with a huge need at C) and still be able to take a flyer on a guard like Burks or Walker.
If Detroit doesn’t like anyone at #8, then I can see why the cap relief would be appealing. I think Detroit is the key to this deal happening or falling apart.
I think Detroit is in desperate measure to cut costs so this might actually happen
Thanks for the explanation, Colin.
In the absence of a nebulous better offer being available for one of the three teams, this looks like a win/win/win trade scenario. My only question is if Detroit is really willing to give up a lottery pick just to get rid of Hamilton.
Is it worth it? I guess that is Gilbert’s call, it’s his money. Guessing Williams lines up at the 3 in this scenario. Put a respectable 2-gaurd and this team can compete for 25 wins!!!
What if we just kept detroit’s number eight pick, giving us the 1, 4, and 8? I don’t see that happening, but it seems like it would make sense. We get Irving at 1, kanter at 4, and grab a sg (Brooks or Burks) with the 8th….sounds pretty appealing to me.
totally agree with kevin. it seems the problem with this draft is that it is really hit or miss after the first two picks. in a few years we will probably see players taken after williams and wonder how that happened. with a 4th and an 8th the cavs have two chances to hit a home run on a big (i’m not sold on this crop of sf/sgs).
I think Williams should play the 4 because I think he could be pretty good SF, but a terrific PF. Then again, when I prognosticate, it usually ends in tears.
I don’t think for one second Williams is a 3. He’s def a 4. He presents so many more problems for defenders there. As a good shooter, he will be able to get space from his defender. Def a 4.
Would the cavs definitely buyout rip? Lets not forget we have another gaping hole at the 2!
Maybe he’d be a 4 on defense, but because of his range (Williams shot 58% from 3 last year–seriously), he’d be a stretch 4 on offense.
I am worried about a Davis/Hamilton starting lineup. That could submarine the team really quickly if Byron Scott can’t keep them in check.
Come on Grant, I got faith in you!!!
The Pistons are not in dire financial straits..they have a new billionaire owner They need a point guard and a center that are ready to play to advance their rebuild. They need to trade Rip to get far enough under the CAP (whatever that may be with a new CBA) so that they can sign a FA like Nene or Gasol to play C for them. I don’t think they like their chances of getting a PG or C in this draft. The Cav’s could offer Sessions to give the Pistons another solid piece for their puzzle. I’m guessing that Detroit thinks that Kemba is just another Gordon.
At that point I’m not so sure that the Cav’s should trade with the T-Wolves. Having the 1-4-8 combo could be a real winning hand. Of course if Minnesota threw in the 20th pick that might make it worth doing for the Cav’s. I’m guessing that Minnesota doesn’t really want to keep the draft picks ,but would try to trade them for experienced starters like Gay or Monta Ellis and Kaman to mix in with their young guys.
This trade is not happening. Detroit isn’t going to help out a team in the division w/o players in return.
I do remember Gilbert tweeting during the Duke/Arizona game in the tourney, about how excited he was about some of the players that might be available for the draft. Williams was AMAZING that game, so I have to think Gilbert loves them both. I’d love this move, though I’m a little worried that we’ll be taking the two most out of shape players in the draft.