What About Love?

As the Cleveland Cavaliers move into their second Post-LeBron Era, there are a lot of questions swirling around the team. How good can Collin Sexton be? Will Cedi Osman take a larger role next season? Can (and will) the Cavs move off of the contracts of Tristan Thompson and JR Smith? The most common discussion taking place is whether or not the Cavaliers should tear down the roster for a full rebuild or try to continue to make the Eastern Conference playoffs. The answer to that, and really most of the important questions surrounding the franchise basically comes down to the most important question of all, what do the Cavaliers do with Kevin Love?

Most people who follow/cover the NBA seem to think that the obvious answer is for the Cavs to trade Love for draft picks and/or young players and rebuild from scratch. There are several reasons that this is a popular take. First off, what kind of team can the Cavaliers really build around Love? Likely one that plays roughly .500 basketball and is either the seventh or eighth seed in the Eastern Conference, and that may be the best-case scenario. Sure, the Cavs would make the playoffs, but would they really be relevant? This isn’t baseball, upsets rarely happen in the NBA playoffs, and barely making it to the postseason only to get rolled by the Boston Celtics or Philadelphia 76ers seems pretty pointless.

Then, there’s the matter of the Cavaliers’ 2019 first-round pick. The Cavaliers sent this pick to the Atlanta Hawks in 2017 for Kyle Korver, but it is top-10 protected. This means that the Cavaliers keep the pick if it falls among the top 10 picks in next summer’s draft. The pick is also top-10 protected in 2020, and then becomes two second-round picks if it has not conveyed by then. Since it’s highly unlikely that the Cavaliers will be title contenders during the next two seasons, it makes some sense to make sure they finish with one of the ten worst records in the NBA, and trading Love would certainly help them do that. This doesn’t mean that we need a repeat of the dumpster fire that was the 2010-2011 season, just that the Cavaliers should focus more on keep their pick than winning games.

There’s also the matter of the Cavaliers getting their books in order. The Cavs have been over the salary cap and paying the luxury tax for so many years that they have been penalized by the dreaded repeater tax. Basically, they’ve had to deal with even harsher financial penalties because they’ve been paying the tax for so many years. In fact, Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert has paid $130 million in luxury taxes alone over the past four seasons, just $1 million less than the 29 other teams in the NBA combined. While the Cavaliers are currently under next season’s tax line, the only way to make sure they are not hit with repeater penalties the next time they are in the luxury tax is to stay below the tax for two seasons in a row. That means that it is in the Cavs’ best interests not to add much salary over the next two seasons, which are also the two seasons in which they should be focused on keeping their pick. Trading Love would free up even more salary space, and the Cavaliers could have as much as $60 million in cap room next summer.

Then there is the issues of Love himself. There’s no doubt that Love is a terrific player, he’s a five time All-Star who can both rebound and space the floor at a high level. He’s an efficient scorer, underrated passer, and his teams always play better with him on the floor. He also turns 30 this September, has an extensive injury history, and will be a free agent next summer. During the epic roundtable that took place on 92.3 The Fan last week, Jason Lloyd stated several times that he was sure that Love would opt out and leave as a free agent next summer if he was still with the Cavaliers. Joe Vardon and Dave McMenamin pushed back on this a bit, there definitely wasn’t a strong belief that Love would stay. If that’s the case, the Cavaliers need to move him now while he is healthy, playing at a high level, and has a year left on his contract. This is undoubtedly the best time to get real value back in a Love trade.

Despite all of those facts, there is a strong case for keeping Love for both next season and beyond. Love really is a terrific player. In fact, the odds that the Cavaliers draft or trade for someone as good as Love are incredibly thin. Don’t believe me? Love is one of 32 All-Stars drafted since 2008. That’s just under three All-Stars per draft. Even if you were to add in likely future All-Stars Ben Simmons, Rudy Gobert, and Donovan Mitchell, that number goes to just over three All-Stars per draft. Even if one put Love near the bottom of that list (He isn’t. Love has undoubtedly had a better career than fellow All-Stars Brook Lopez, Roy Hibbert, Goran Dragic, Jrue Holiday, Jeff Teague, and Andre Drummond.), he would rate as the equivalent of the third-best player in any draft. Considering what a crapshoot the draft is, it’s unlikely the Cavaliers ever truly get equal value in a Love trade. Love is also a player who’s game is based more on skill than athleticism, and even as he enters the declining stages of his career, he will likely remain a highly effective player.

Another reason that trading Love may be difficult is that there are few natural trade partners for the big man. The Oklahoma City Thunder make some sense. Love is close with Russell Westbrook, and the Thunder could use his shooting. But for a trade to work, the Cavs would likely have to take on Carmelo Anthony‘s contract and then buy Anthony out so that he could join a contender. Given that Anthony could very well join James in Los Angeles after a buyout, would the Cavaliers be willing to do this unless they received some high-level assets in return? Probably not, and it’s hard to see what the Thunder could offer the Cavaliers that would really interest them outside of a lightly protected first-round pick. Considering that Paul George and Westbrook will probably be with the Thunder for several more seasons, that pick would be unlikely to have much value anyways.

The Utah Jazz, Phoenix Suns, and Portland Trailblazers have all been mentioned as possible suitors for Love, but none of those teams seem to be natural matches in terms of either assets or matching salaries. A Love-Andrew Wiggins swap would make some sense for the Minnesota Timberwolves, but Wiggins simply hasn’t shown the progess to justify the max contract extension is about to begin for him. Taking on a bad contract just because the player is well-known would be a total disaster. If there isn’t a good trade for Love out there, then the Cavaliers shouldn’t trade him. He’s too good of a player to let go for nothing.

While Lloyd believes that Love is likely to leave after this season, there is one big reason to believe the Cavaliers can keep Love for several seasons to come… money. As the focal point of a team in the weakened Eastern Conference, there is a great chance that Love will put up excellent numbers and make his sixth All-Star appearance next season. When free agency begins next summer, he may not be the first choice for a lot of teams, but some team that misses out on the top tier free agents will likely throw big money at Love. Still, he’ll be 31 at the beginning of the 2019-2020 season, and the Cavaliers will have the ability to pay him more money than any other team. Given his injury history, it’s a solid bet that Love would at least consider re-signing with the Cavs to ensure his best financial future.

There’s also no guaranteed that a full-scale rebuild would work out for the Cavaliers. Multiple high draft picks don’t necessarily equal future success. For every Philadelphia 76ers or Oklahoma City Thunder, there are teams like the Sacramento Kings, Orlando Magic, Phoenix Suns, and (until recently) Minnesota Timberwolves who have gone six or more seasons without making the playoffs despite making a plethora of high draft picks. The Cavaliers looked like they were on that path before the return of LeBron James, and all of the losing during those years may be one of the reasons Gilbert is hesitant to go through a full rebuild again.

Meanwhile, teams like the Houston Rockets, Indiana Pacers, and Utah Jazz have been able to rebuild quickly on multiple occasions while never fully tearing down their teams. None of these teams play in glamour markets, proving that there is more than one way to rebuild a roster. A smart front office, great scouting and coaching, and organizational stability still matter more than anything outside of having a superstar when it comes to building a team. Whether the Cavaliers have all of those things is certainly up for debate.

Finally, there is the simple reality of running an entertainment business. Dan Gilbert wants to sell as many tickets to Cavalier games as possible. The better the team is, the easier that is to do. We can debate the pros and cons of tanking on this blog until the cows come home, but it doesn’t really matter to the casual fan. They want to see good basketball and watch their team win. They couldn’t care less about team rebuilds and five-year plans. Plus, the Cavs being a solid team without LeBron makes for a good story. Love would be the focal point of that team.

This isn’t just about the attendance at Quicken Loans Arena either. Gilbert also owns the JACK Casino downtown, and hopes that good business for Cavalier games will be good business for his casino as well. At the end of the day, the Cavs are a business with a goal of making money. The better the team, the more money they will make.

Despite many strong opinions, there is no black and white answer as to whether the Cleveland Cavaliers should try to be competitive next season or tear the team down and rebuild for the future. While logic seems to dictate a full-scale rebuild, there are plenty of equally valid points favoring building a competitive team for the immediate future. It seems that the Dan Gilbert, Koby Altman, and the rest of the Cavaliers’ front office are currently (at least in public) favoring the latter route, which likely means holding onto Kevin Love. Still, if the last four years have taught us anything, it’s that we never know what the future may hold.

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CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

Ayton so under-utilized in this game. He’d be insane with an actually good point guard.

MikeO
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MikeO
4 months 3 days ago

I’d be willing to give up Jordan Clarkson for the right price…

CLF
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CLF
4 months 3 days ago

LMAO

MikeO
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MikeO
4 months 4 days ago

Oh yes, a report out that Kings are preparing an offer for Marcus Smart. Go go Vlade go!

Slammin Sam
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Slammin Sam
4 months 4 days ago

Omg I would love that. If I’m the Kings I’m thinking 3 years $60mil

Slammin Sam
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Slammin Sam
4 months 4 days ago

Then you’re gonna need JR on top of that, to make up for Smart’s shooting. I think the Cavs would be willing to do it for 2 unprotected firsts.

Jason
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Jason
4 months 4 days ago

Fear the Sword has the following tidbits:

1) Cavs & T’Wolves attend Vegas workout of Treveon Graham, UFA, 25, 6’5″ 3&D wing who shot 41% on 3s last year in limited time with Charlotte.

2) Kings may be interested in Hood.

3) We are looking to move Korver.

JRL
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JRL
4 months 4 days ago

In ok with all

Jason
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Jason
4 months 4 days ago

Point being, if a guy looks like he has potential, keep him. What do we have to lose?

We have open roster spots. We do not need to sign vets, we have them on the team (Love, Korver, Hill, TT, JR).

St: Sexton, Hood, Osman, Love, Nance.
2nd: Hill, Clarkson, Korver, Colson, Zizic.
Last 3 active = JR, TT, Lee
2 way: Preston & Mathias

Find a way to jettison Perk & White & bring in two more guys to develop.

Trade Korver & Hill & JR as expirings for picks, youngsters & prospects. See what how Love’s situation unfolds. We may have to eat TT’s contract. Unless we want Whiteside or something similar.

Oh, I would hire Messina or Hammond pronto.

Jason
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4 months 4 days ago

I think there are 3 guys on this team who are rotational levels guys right now (Cedi, Zizic, Sexton) and one who has a chance to be soon (Preston). Sexton, Cedi, & Preston all have higher ceilings than ritation level guy.

I think Lee and Mathias could turn into serviceable niche players who are 11th-15th on the roster type guys who can give competent minutes but are not mainstays.

I think Colson is also a rotation level guy if he can get healthy.

Did White play today?

JRL
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JRL
4 months 4 days ago

Didn’t get to watch the game. Glad to read the youngsters are playing smart basketball. Can’t wait to see them progress.

believeLAND
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believeLAND
4 months 4 days ago

Feel like gap between East and West got even bigger after this draft which is baffling/frustrating. Guys you think will be biggest difference makers (Ayton, Doncic. Jackson, Bagley, Porter Jr.) all went to West. Why does this keep happening? ugh.

Jack
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Jack
4 months 4 days ago

Porter Jr. isn’t going to be a difference-maker for years, if he ever is one. Sexton, Carter Jr. and Knox all project to be really good. Trae Young and Bamba still question marks who could be as good as anybody or a total bust. Holiday, Hutchinson and Okogie could also be solid contributors right away.

Nate Smith
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4 months 4 days ago

Meh. It’s still way early.

Jack
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Jack
4 months 4 days ago

Still don’t understand how Porter Jr. made that list…

JRL
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JRL
4 months 4 days ago

Easier path for the Cavs.

believeLAND
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believeLAND
4 months 4 days ago

i just want to watch Sexton, Cedi, and Zizic all year long. Throw in a decent coach in place of Lue and bring Delly back – and I’ll be in heaven.

JRL
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JRL
4 months 4 days ago

Is Varejao still playing?

believeLAND
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believeLAND
4 months 4 days ago

Honestly, I couldn’t stand him.

JRL
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JRL
4 months 4 days ago

Seriously? I’m surprised.

Jack
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Jack
4 months 4 days ago

How good does this rookie class look, though? So many guys with NBA-level athleticism and skills. Holiday was what… 23rd pick and he definitely projects as at least a Terry Rozier type, if not better. Outside of Trae Young’s first 2 games, there’s nobody from the draft you’d really look at and say ‘that guy can’t cut it in the NBA,’ and even Trae Young bounced back.

Nate Smith
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4 months 4 days ago

The nba has a long history of Summer League standouts who’ve turned into flame outs.

Jack
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Jack
4 months 4 days ago

None of them are necessarily really standing out stat-wise. They just look like they have what it takes, like Tatum and Mitchell did last year.

Jack
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Jack
4 months 4 days ago

Also, I think summer league is a bit more telling than it used to be because the competition level is way higher than it used to be.

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newnomad
4 months 4 days ago

CLF–HAVEN’T WATCHED A GAME / HAVE SEEN HIGHLIGHTS—AGREE –KEEP LEE

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newnomad
4 months 4 days ago

THINK NEXT YEAR AT THIS TIME WE ARE GOING TO BE SAYING THE SAME ABOUT PRESTON THAT WE ARE SAYING ABOUT CEDI THIS YEAR——BELIEVE WE HAVE FOUND A ‘DIAMOND IN THE ROUGH “—STILL EXCITED TO SEE BONZIE PLAY WHEN HE FINALLY GETS HEALTHY —–CAVS ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME DECISIONS TO MAKE

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4 months 4 days ago

FORGOT ABOUT GAME —( HELL WHO AM I KIDDING–WAS BUSY ATTENDING TO THE “MRS NOMADS NEVER ENDING HONEYDO LIST )—–WHY DIDN’T ANTE PLAY—JUST WANTED TO GET MORE OF A LOOK AT MARCUS ?—-SEXTON I SEE WITH 4 ASSISTS –THAT IS GREAT TO SEE—-CEDI WITH 25–STILL STRUGGLING WITH 3 PT SHOT —–IS MARCUS A KEEPER —-WHO WOULD YOU CHOOSE BETWEEN HIM AND ‘OKRE ” ?

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4 months 4 days ago

pretty sure it was DNP(rest) due to playing the B2B. I’m sure the team wanted to see get the full workload today. Big Z will be back next game as the “playoffs” start.

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

Rather keep Lee… can’t teach size especially with that kind of athleticism.

Nate Smith
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4 months 4 days ago

Honestly maybe one more game from cedi. He looks like he’s out of these guys’ class. No point in playing any more.

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

Definitely…. can’t risk injury.

Jack
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Jack
4 months 4 days ago

How many more games are left? I think it’s good for him to play since the injury risk in summer league is usually pretty minimal (he’s not flying in for dunks or skying for rebounds). It’s not an NBA game, but these summer league games have been pretty competitive (basically every lottery selection and then some looks like a solid NBA player). I mean, he’s already a confident dude, but it’s good for him to see what he can do.

Nate Smith
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4 months 4 days ago

Cedi really reminding me of LeBron with the way he’s controlling this offense, his game, and his demranor. Learned a lot.

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

Definitely stabilized the game right there in the clutch moments… Better ballhandling and better shooting, he can be a star.

MikeO
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MikeO
4 months 4 days ago

I think he’d be a very high level rotation guy/ starter right now if he could get his three % up a bit at volume…

Jack
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Jack
4 months 4 days ago

His shot looks good and fluid, though, and he already shot 38 percent from 3 as a spot up shooter last year on limited attempts. He changed up his shot a little to get a quicker release, so that’s going to take some getting used to, but the mechanics are solid. He’s also taking a ton of off the dribble 3’s. I’m glad they’re giving him the green light to go out there and just push his limits see what he can do.

Cedi has that Manu Ginobili-esque natural gift for seeing ahead of time where and how he can get his shot — how many dribbles he has to take to get some space, how to contort his bod to get the angle or the rim to eliminate the shotblocker, etc. And he also seems to be putting it to use with his passing. That pass over the top of the double team to roller/cutter in the lane when was Lebron-esque in that it made you wonder how he found that angle.

MikeO
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4 months 4 days ago

Sexton is mostly playing like a point, and I applaud that…he’s not selfish at all. I do think right now he’s at his best blowing by his guy and getting to the rim. Once again, Cedi best player on the floor, no surprise. Looks like an NBA player amongst a couple of high level pickup teams.

Jack
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4 months 4 days ago
Cedi def best all around on the floor. Did a little bit of everything — beating good defenders off the dribble on the reg, hit a couple 3’s off the dribble, made some really impressive passes, got to loose balls and rebounds. Could be a fun year for him. Sexton had a rough 1.5 quarters, but then like Carlisemo said, game seemed to slow down a bit for him and he was finding seams to drive by changing speeds and directions, using his body, had some nice finishes and passes in the halfcourt and on the break. I was a little worried that he seemed a little thrown off because the Pacers were playing defense with NBA-level intensity. Preston had a great game offensively. He did look a little lost early on defense, but he bounced back nicely as the game went on, putting a body on TJ Leaf and using his length to bother guys inside. And all 3 of them played with poise down the stretch. Sexton didn’t force anything. When he saw they were overplaying Cedi in the post, he made a quick move to the cup, and then he could have taken the 3 on the… Read more »
CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

Yup… pretty good assessment.

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

He took a step forward today… big time IMO.

Jack
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Jack
4 months 4 days ago

Definitely. Pacers were getting after it on defense like it was a playoff game. It would have been a little disconcerting if he completely folded, but the fact that he settled down and even sort of took control of the game at times showed that he’s got that big-time NBA player mentality and resiliency.

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

Sexton uses the glass!!! DAGGER!

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

Good decision Sexton! Preston with drive and foul!!!

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

SEXTON TO THE RACK!!!! LIKE LIGHTNING!!

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

Nice drive Cedi… draws foul

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

Nice pass Cedi! and nice rebound!

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

RIGHT ON CUE!!! SEXTON WITH THE FINISH OVER SIZE!!!

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

finished with the left hand too! And that crossover was money!

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

Sexton needs to take over… need his driving ability right now.

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

Nice defense Preston… forces miss.

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

Another nice defensive possession.

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

Cedi misses open 3…. Preston good off. rebound, but couldn’t finish.

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

Brodzionsky can shoot.

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

Preston hesitating on another open 3…. thought he should’ve taken that.

Slammin Sam
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Slammin Sam
4 months 4 days ago

It’s insane Cedi couldn’t get more minutes last season. I know that will be a controversial opinion here /s.

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

Cedi and Sexton absolutely balling out today… honorable mentions to Lee and Preston. Mathias good glue guy.

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

PRESTON GOOD HUSTLE!!! Gets the steal.

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

PRESTON SWEET J!!! Sexton didn’t force the drive smart play.

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

NICE HUSTLE PRESTON CEDI FINISH! CEDI TAKES THE BLOCK!

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

CEDI BLOCK! CEDI IN YOUR FACE J!!!!

Nate Smith
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4 months 4 days ago

Cedi feeling it!

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

SEXTON MIDRANGE MONEY!

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

MATHIAS GOOD DEFENSE!

Nate Smith
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4 months 4 days ago

Man sweet c cut by cedi and a great pass Sexton to get him a layup.

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

GREAT READ SEXTON! Accurate pass, CEDI WITH THE FINISH!!!

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

Oh…. Sexton blows easy layup… go off glass!!!

Nate Smith
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4 months 4 days ago

Use the damned backboard, Collin!

Nate Smith
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4 months 4 days ago

Cedi def. Got the green light.

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

Cedi misses in rhythm 3… good off. rebound Lee.

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

Cedi way off target pass Lee was wide open…. wanted to go no-look to keep the defender occupied.

Nate Smith
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4 months 4 days ago

Whoa! Cedi passes to the nine foot man.

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

Sexton good drop off pass to Lee… Lee can’t finish. BAD CALL REFS… Holiday doesn’t get called for push off.

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

Cedi bad 3 off the dribble doesn’t draw iron.

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

CEDI RIDICULOUS FINISH! GREAT DRIVE!!!

Nate Smith
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4 months 4 days ago

Wow sweet spin and finish by Osman.

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

Bad TO Cedi. Holiday 3 in Sexton’s face. Sexton bad shot…. getting caught up in Holiday duel. Mathias misses 3.

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

SEXTON OFF THE DRIBBLE 3!!! END OF SHOT CLOCK!

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

Holiday responses in kind.

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

Mathias starting 3rd quarter….. good decision by Posey… there was more space on the Sexton drive.

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

SEXTON DRIVE AND 1!!! SPEED KILLS!

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

Sexton playing his best overall ball right now…. looking more like a PG.

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

CEDI IN YOUR FACE THREE!! END OF CLOCK!

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

SEXTON TO CEDI!!!! GREAT PASS AND FINISH! Sexton outplaying Holiday.

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

Sexton great PG read….. directs the ball to the post for the mismatch. High level play. SExton misses mid range J, looked like he got fouled.

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

Cavs getting called for two weak fouls… good defense by Cedi and Lee IMO

Slammin Sam
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Slammin Sam
4 months 4 days ago

Cedi looks great handling ball on the break

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

SEXTON LONG RANGE J… IN RHYTHM SWISH!

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

CEDI one man fast break.. beautiful take, blows the easy layup…. that’s pretty rare for him.

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

Sexton with a quick drive draws the foul!

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

Bad decision Cedi… should’ve passed it out… SEXTON MIDRANGE PULL UP MONEY!

Jack
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Jack
4 months 4 days ago

This is a welcome to NBA defense game for Sexton (Pacers are getting AFTER it). Hopefully the coaches can show him what’s going wrong and he can bounce back in the second half.

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

Sexton gets stripped on the drive, but dives on the floor and calls the TO! Great hustle to make up for a bad play!

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

CEDI GREAT PASS TO LEE!!! LEE FINISH!!! PnR to perfectioN!

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

Sexton great drive.. can’t finish on length… made the shot more difficult than it was.

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

Preston hesitates on wide open 3…. Sexton read the play correctly there. CEDI TO PRESTON FASTBREAK AND 1!!!

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

Great drive Mathias and kick out!!! Leads to a made wide open 3!

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

Preston doing too much on that play… doesn’t see the double coming on the post up.

Jack
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Jack
4 months 4 days ago

Thought he was TMac for a second…

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

lol

CLF
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CLF
4 months 4 days ago

Mathias good idea, a little off target with the pass… doesn’t matter, GREAT DRIVE PRESTON! Preston looks night and day different!

Jack
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Jack
4 months 4 days ago

I would have a little more faith in Preston if he would just put a little effort into challenging shots.

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