Finals Live Thread, Game 3: Cavs vs Warriors (home cookin’)

Welcome home, Cavs. I was tempted to lead with a picture of Andre Igoudala tonight, but I decided that a vision of what the Cavs are playing for ought to go up top. Make no mistake. This one’s for Cleveland. The Cavs are on the precipice of being down an impossible 0-3, and all we’ve heard about for the last few days is how inadequate this team, this region, and its fans are – that we’re all somehow unworthy of LeBron James and that he should move on to greener pastures.

I’m sure every team looking to woo Mr. James, from Philadelphia to Houston to Los Angeles is invested in the Cavaliers failure. I frankly, don’t know how he has the strength to conjure another performance for the ages, but if there was ever a time for one, this was it. And if there was ever a time for LeBron’s teammates and his coach to prove that they’re better than the criticism they face, this is definitely it.

The Cavs will start the same starters as last game: Thompson, Love, James, Smith, and Hill, while I assume the Warriors will keep their same lineup, though with Andre Igoudala returning to the bench fold. Speaking of the bench, Ty Lue has hinted that Rodney Hood may return to the rotation tonight. Also making an appearance? The NBA referees, who will be livetweeting the game tonight after the first two games, I’d be afraid to show my face in Cleveland if I were them. Be sure to give them a piece of your mind at @OfficialNBARefs.

This will be a crucible for James and the Cavs, and if they have any chance of winning this series, they must win tonight. Hopefully he, his coach, his teammates, and this city rise to the occasion.

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Cramz
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Cramz
4 months 13 days ago

I’m mad.

Cramz
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Cramz
4 months 13 days ago

2Ls.vs.KD

newnomad
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newnomad
4 months 16 days ago

realize I am probably ‘premature –pessimistic ” in writing this—-but hoping if warriors are ahead big LATE IN THE GAME –ty will make the right decision to allow the –FANS / LEBRON TO HAVE A SPECIAL MOMENT TOGETHER —–if this is his FAREWELL GAME —–HOPING THE FANS GIVE HIM THE LOUDEST / MOST RAUCOUS OVATION EVER !!———HE ONCE WAS A “VILLAIN IN OUR EYES —–HAS RETURNED TO BE A HERO IN OUR HEARTS ——-JUST A KID FROM AKRON—-LONG LIVE THE KING ——THANK YOU LBJ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

newnomad
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newnomad
4 months 16 days ago

agree scott—-make it very inticing for LeBron —————wonder how big a drop / t.v ratings will be for Friday nights game ——–there is no way the media can ‘drum ‘ up excitement for viewers other than ” witness ‘ lebrons last game in Cleveland / ( uniform )

scott
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scott
4 months 16 days ago

In unrelated news, with Colangelo out in Philly, hiring Griffin would make perfect sense for them.

daspec90
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daspec90
4 months 15 days ago

If Griffin, and then Lebron, went there, that would sting.

newnomad
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newnomad
4 months 16 days ago

will see if we get the same “UTAH HOOD ” –come Friday night —-hoping so —if that happens then I could see his stock take a small surge upward

worldbfree
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worldbfree
4 months 16 days ago

Silver lining — Rodney Hood upped his free-agent value back into five-… maybe even six-figures last night.

JRL
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JRL
4 months 16 days ago

A horrible loss due to the fact that it was a really winnable game. If they had gone back to Hood 3-4 more times in the 4th or if they had remembered to play average defense, it would be 2-1 right now.

As it is, Friday will be LeBron’s last game as a Cavalier and I wish him the best. I won’t be watching. Can’t stand to watch GS win another championship.

newnomad
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newnomad
4 months 16 days ago

hey guys– is there a playoff being played —-( been up north on fishing trip ——-think my luck was better than the cavs )——haven’t watched any games / barely listened to them —–” we were WAY UP NORTH “—–hey I did see “Utah Hood ‘ played last night ——like the media / and many on this post are saying —–TOO MANY WEAPONS—-TOO LITTLE MARGIN OF ERROR FOR THE CAVS TO COMPETE / WIN ———-I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY THIS WILL BE LEBRONS FINAL GAME– ( FOR THE TIME BEING )– IN A CAVS UNIFORM —–GO OUT IN STYLE LEBRON ——good being back with you guys —-got to go fry some of the fish up we brought back !!

MJ 45
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MJ 45
4 months 16 days ago

Durant getting every call in the first half really killed the Cavs tonight. He got into a rhythm, and showed why he’s the second best player in the world. He’s just a monster

Still tho, the margin for error is so high for the warriors. Steph has a horrible game and Klay is off? Still win on the road. They are unguardable with all their weapons

I wonder if durant would have won if he stayed in OKc. Hope he leaves and tries to carry a more reasonablly talented squad.

Jack
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Jack
4 months 16 days ago

He’s pretty much said that he loves the easy life. Can’t totally blame him from a life perspective. Not everybody can do what Lebron does basketball-wise and also grow their off-court business like he does. And it’s not hurting his brand. He wins championships, has zero pressure, 1 or 2 transcendent games and gets all the credit outside of ride or die basketball fans who know Curry is the real reason behind their greatness.

MJ 45
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MJ 45
4 months 16 days ago

I watch more Nba basketball than anyone I know, and Steph Curry has never been a better overall basketball player than kevin durant. Not for a single day of his life. And you see it every year in the playoffs

Durant is undeniable in a way Cury can never be at his size. And when he tries, he can be a real menace on defense

I agree totally on the other points. I dont really blame durant, but it’s making the Nba a lot less fun with this “if you cant beat them, join them” warriors

Jack
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Jack
4 months 16 days ago

There’s a difference being a better overall basketball player and being more impactful. Even Steve Kerr has said, publicly and in no uncertain terms, that even though KD can impact the game in more areas than Steph because of his size, Steph is more important to what they do. The way Steph forces defenses to react is second only to Lebron.

Jack
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4 months 16 days ago
The lack of creativity on offense has killed the Cavs the past 2 years (let’s not even talk about the defense right now). They are limited personnel-wise, and they have the best player in the world who also doubles as a top 5 shot creator for other guys, but if he’s gotta do it possession after possession 47-48 min a game, that’s just not sustainable. When Korver was on the Hawks, they maxed out his gravity with all kinds of creative actions. The Cavs have basically one, and then no counter when the defense takes it away. I know he missed shots tonight, but again, he also only took 4. When Klay Thompson is struggling, he takes 10+. He’s got to setting and then running off of multiple screens, and when Lebron passes him the ball on the pop. Kevin Love needed to be more involved in the 2nd half, but they also needed to exploit the switch and create mismatches for him in the post. Iguodala is shorter, but he’s not a mismatch. That’s where you have to run offball actions early in the shotclock with Korver popping out to draw the extra defender and force the rotational mismatch.… Read more »
JMKP
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JMKP
4 months 16 days ago

Cavs in 7.

Jack
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4 months 16 days ago
I kind of knew this one was over when Lebron played the whole 1st half. It’s just too much to play 45-48 min straight without rest every game. All the sports science says that once you play the whole 1st quarter, your body can never get anywhere near back to baseline. Even if you’re Lebron, that makes a difference. And you can see it in the 4th the past 2 games. To me, this has been Lue’s biggest coaching blunder the past 2 games. In game 1, Lebron got 5 min of gametime rest and he finished the game strong. The reserves managed to hang in there just enough. The past 2 games, he’s basically gotten zero rest (less than a min in G3). If you only have one guy who can get you buckets at the end of the game, you’ve got to get him rest and just tell your reserves to buckle down and just keep it close for 2-3 min at a time. On the road, I kind of get the thinking, but last night, at home with everybody except Durant struggling, they were getting all their offense from putbacks, and Lebron/Hood isos anyway, it was just… Read more »
Phil Hubbard
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Phil Hubbard
4 months 16 days ago

In 2016, the Cavs wore down the Warriors.

In 2018, the Cavs wore down LeBron.

Boogieeels
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Boogieeels
4 months 16 days ago

Agree. I think we had enough going with Hood, Love and JR that a 5 minute rest for LBJ could have easily been executed. Especially when we had the lead built up.

Jack
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Jack
4 months 16 days ago

Yeah, when we pushed it to 10 in the 2nd quarter. Nothing was really going to change with Lebron off the court for 3 min. I just feel like Lue is constantly miscalculating. The Warriors are going to ratchet up the defense and make a run with or without Lebron on the floor because even with him out there, they aren’t good enough to consistently stop them. And if the reserves can’t hold the fort down and force them into some tough shots for 2-3 min and pull a few buckets out of their asses, you’re not gonna win anyway.

running jumper
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running jumper
4 months 16 days ago

This is so sad.

running jumper
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running jumper
4 months 16 days ago

I’m with Nate.

Arch Stanton
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Arch Stanton
4 months 16 days ago

Arch Stanton
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Arch Stanton
4 months 16 days ago

I blame the Russians. They inflatrated the Q during the 2016 RNC, got a pee-pee tape of Gilbert, threatened to release it unless he fired Griffin and traded Irving.

daspec90
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daspec90
4 months 16 days ago

That’s pretty funny, Arch! Sounds about as plausible as all of the other explanations I have heard.

Vintage
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Vintage
4 months 16 days ago

Can’t really imagine how LeBron must be feeling. To put in the amount of work he does, day after day, year after year. The round the clock science of keeping his body in shape. To deal with the pressure placed on his shoulders every single game. Overcoming poor coaching, lineup changes, roster overhauls. I could go on and on.

To be in this position because of frontrunners who want to take the easy way out . I guess he finds solace in leaving everything he has out on the floor and accepting the outocme (win, lose or draw as he says). Still sucks.

RC Kim
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4 months 16 days ago

I wonder if the Spurs would take Love, #8 and a future #1 for Kawhi. I mean, why not if you’re the Spurs? And why not if you’re the Cavs?

Jack
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Jack
4 months 16 days ago

Kawhi is a top 5 player when healthy, so it’s going to take a lot to get him. If Pop’s sticking around, he’s not trading Kawhi for anything less than an current or future foundational player and either a high lottery pick in next year’s draft or 2 future unprotected 1sts have a likelihood of conveying as mid-to-high lottery picks. So basically only Utah, Sixers and Celtics have the juice to pull that off. That said, if Pop is retiring, there’s a chance that they’d trade Kawhi for a Nets-like haul the (from Cavs that would be 8 pick and 2 unprotected future 1sts slotted to convey in 2 years as Lebron would theoretically be slowing down) and go into rebuild mode.

Joeyb
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Joeyb
4 months 16 days ago

More likely that the trade kawhi for lebron.

believeLAND
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believeLAND
4 months 16 days ago

It’s so wrong for him to be on a team that’s this bad.

RC Kim
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4 months 16 days ago

It’s like watching a tiger being torn apart by a pack of wild dogs. It may be an inevitable result but it seems wrong.

worldbfree
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worldbfree
4 months 16 days ago

Except that Curry is a poodle. Or maybe a cockapoo. Or a goldendoodle?

worldbfree
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worldbfree
4 months 16 days ago

LOL

RC Kim
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4 months 16 days ago

If LeBron had played half as badly in Game 3 as Steph did everyone would be saying he quit on the Cavs. Instead people will say “what a great team the Warriors are, they carry each other so well” talk about grading on a curve.

believeLAND
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believeLAND
4 months 16 days ago

Yea, honestly- imagine Lebron having a game like Curry just had. It’s a joke the praise Curry gets.

RC Kim
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4 months 16 days ago

Curry has two awful games every playoff series. LeBron has two awful games in his postseason career (maybe). They don’t deserve to be in the same conversation about a conversation about great players somebody else is having.

Boogieeels
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Boogieeels
4 months 16 days ago

If I was Lue, I would rest Lebron for Game 4. Need him fresh for Game 5.

believeLAND
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believeLAND
4 months 16 days ago

GSW will probably tank it, to celebrate at home

RC Kim
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4 months 16 days ago

Steph will probably claim that is what he was doing tonight.

Jason
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Jason
4 months 16 days ago

We just make too many mental mustakes defensively to beat this team.

And a Bron centric offense cannot score with them, either. Too much ofva load for him & does not generate enough easy looks.

Peter
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Peter
4 months 16 days ago

I disagree. Cavs score enough to win. It’s the defense where Cavs were atrocious where they allow the McGees and Livingstons to play better than most of their starters.

JB225
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JB225
4 months 16 days ago

It was expected that the Warriors would win this series but again the Cavs don’t help themselves being this bad defensively.
The Rockets took the Warriors to seven games by playing great defense all series long. I don’t recall the Warriors getting these many layups an easy scores against the Rockets.

Joeyb
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Joeyb
4 months 16 days ago

It’s almost as if the way we’ve played defense for two straight years wasn’t going to suddenly change overnight.

believeLAND
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believeLAND
4 months 16 days ago

Houston’s front office did a killer job of building that roster. Coaching staff did great in building a defense.

JRL
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JRL
4 months 16 days ago

I won’t be watching Friday, even if it could possibly be LeBron’s last game as a Cavalier. I don’t think he’ll leave, that maximum contract is too good to pass up, but if he does, hope he gets to beat weakas$ Durant next season.

GreekCavsFan
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GreekCavsFan
4 months 16 days ago

Each passing finals game I grow more and more certain Lebron will leave again this summer save for a massive roster overhaul which isn’t likely. Too many bad memories now. I wouldn’t be able to endure another season of JR, TT and the rest. My money is he goes and plays for Magic. They are the only viable option IMO except for Cleveland, especially if/when they sign George. Lebron, George, Ingram and all that youth they have, plus LA and all that comes with it, could be a tempting enough combination to swallow the small legacy hit he is going to take for switching teams again.

RC Kim
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4 months 16 days ago

After this series and the way the Warriors have gang rolled him, if LeBron leaves it will only be to another team with a top tier superstar, preferably two. LA even with PG13 doesn’t fit the bill at all.

Joeyb
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Joeyb
4 months 16 days ago

They could get kawhi too.

Arch Stanton
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Arch Stanton
4 months 16 days ago

When I first read this I thought you were referring to the Orlando Magic. 😂
I could see him going to Houston for a year or two, just to beat the Warriors. But I agree, he’s as good as gone IMO.

believeLAND
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believeLAND
4 months 16 days ago

No way he’s going to LA- lakers suck

Joeyb
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Joeyb
4 months 16 days ago

Cavs used to suck

Boogieeels
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Boogieeels
4 months 16 days ago

At first I thought you were suggesting he leave and go play for Orlando. LOL.

Joeyb
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Joeyb
4 months 16 days ago

I’ve been sure of it for months. He has no reason to stay basketball wise. This organization has been terribly mismanaged since the day after the parade, but especially since griff left. Just colossal blunders.

JRL
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JRL
4 months 16 days ago

The only thing that will keep him here is that supper max contract.

Can we hire Hammond tomorrow?

Joeyb
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Joeyb
4 months 16 days ago

I think if we lose the next game lue might be willing to try cedi. So telling to see gs get quality minutes from their rookie while Lue is still waiting for JR to be in 2016 again.

Chris K
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Chris K
4 months 16 days ago

Yup. What about energy and aggression doesn’t Lue like?

Joeyb
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Joeyb
4 months 16 days ago

He has no idea how he won the first time so he’s just running the same thing over.

believeLAND
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believeLAND
4 months 16 days ago

Lmao, Durant with 43. Next highest scorer on that team had 11. Joke.

Vealchop
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Vealchop
4 months 16 days ago

Really, that usually looks like the Cavs box score, except after Lebron, no one would be in double figures.

Joeyb
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Joeyb
4 months 16 days ago

Joke that we can’t win a game like that.

Vintage
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Vintage
4 months 16 days ago

Thankfully only one more game of Longabardi

Peter
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Peter
4 months 16 days ago

Amen to that. Javale McGee should compensate that supposed defensive guru for making an all-time great.

Peter
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Peter
4 months 16 days ago

Lue’s defensive scheme turned Javale McGee into Wilt Chamberlain and Kareem rolled into one.

GreekCavsFan
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GreekCavsFan
4 months 16 days ago

If Durant had gone to Boston, the NBA would be at an all-time high in terms of competitiveness. Boston, Cavs, Warriors, Spurs, Houston would all be equally equipped to actually compete for a championship. Now, you have to hope Curry or Durant get injured.

Joeyb
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Joeyb
4 months 16 days ago

I do hope that.

Tom Pestak
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4 months 16 days ago

Feels like on paper it should be fun to go to the Finals ever year. Last 2 years haven’t been much fun though

Boogieeels
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Boogieeels
4 months 16 days ago

On paper, the Irving trade seemed like an OK deal too. 26 points a game from our PG sure would be nice right about now…

Joeyb
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Joeyb
4 months 16 days ago

That trade looked terrible on paper.

Joeyb
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Joeyb
4 months 16 days ago

Durant ruined the nba for everyone.

Gilbert ruined the Cavs just for us. If lbj goes to lakers, Gilbert will be responsible for making the lakers and Celtics great again.

believeLAND
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believeLAND
4 months 16 days ago

I’m a huge Lebron fan and always will be. Really, really hope where ever he goes- he plays with great team mates and a great coach. And a competent front office.

Joeyb
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Joeyb
4 months 16 days ago

Not going to happen unless Gilbert sells.

GreekCavsFan
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GreekCavsFan
4 months 16 days ago

Oh no, not fun at all. I am steaming right now, even if I saw this coming from a mile away.

Leo
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Leo
4 months 16 days ago

more about Durant than anything, guy ruined the league, literally 27 teams have no shot at a title each year unless there is divine luck, he left a steady franchise to win titles with already great team, what a tool…also think Lue is done as coach for Cavs regardless of Lebron…entire coaching staff just not prepared for Warriors fake screens and cuts to basket…just stinks

Chris K
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Chris K
4 months 16 days ago

I force a Quiz Bowl question on our faculty and students every year to denounce KD as a sad example of title chasing…. must be nice as the second option and enjoy the non-pressure of being on that team…

Leo
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Leo
4 months 16 days ago

Defensive habits and weird offense towards the end was epitome of the Cavs from all season this year….Lue basically coaching last game on Friday, thought Cavs would take this game, but Durant balling out of his mind and numerous Warriors joining a layup line

GreekCavsFan
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GreekCavsFan
4 months 16 days ago

Tough loss. Defensive habits came back to haunt us just like we all knew they would.

JB225
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JB225
4 months 16 days ago

Exactly.

JB225
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JB225
4 months 16 days ago

Layup after layup allowed by the Cavs and that’s why I have never like Lue as a coach.

JRL
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JRL
4 months 16 days ago

The only good thing that will come from getting swept is Lue’s firing. Absolute joke.

Yeah, game one was a total fiasco with the refs but this game was winnable if they only knew how to defend a simple PnR.

cinemikem
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cinemikem
4 months 16 days ago

I’m sorry, this is why you play the full season trying to get better and build cohesion. These past couple years the Cavs have coasted through the season only to ‘flip the switch’ in the playoffs. It gets you only so far, until you run into a team that plays near perfectly together, ’cause they take the season seriously.

Boogieeels
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Boogieeels
4 months 16 days ago

I’m sorry, but Golden State did NOT take the season seriously. 4 All Stars, 2 MVP’s…and they still don’t finish 1st in the West?? They coasted the regular season, straight coasted. Cavs could not afford to do that, with the players we had early and the roster shakeup.

RC Kim
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4 months 16 days ago

The real problem is that LeBron is so great he can drag any half-decent team to the Finals, with or without a coach, and that lulls people into thinking the team is pretty good. But the team is not pretty good. It’s a mediocre, not very well assembled team with one fantastic player who does superhuman things to fill the gaps. It somehow works, until it doesn’t.

cinemikem
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cinemikem
4 months 16 days ago

Exactly. GS is a well-oiled machine, and have been all 4 years. Cavs always seem like some hodgepodge of ok talent coalescing around the best player in the league. They can’t afford to take chunks of the season off, they’re not that good.

Chris K
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Chris K
4 months 16 days ago

You spit the truth, RC Kim. This team is top-heavy with LeBron and Love but a shell of a polished offende or defense. Too many mistakes suggest this team hasn’t played enough together to be a serious threat to the championship. It’s all LeBRon now…

RC Kim
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4 months 16 days ago

We missed Griff this season. He was constantly trying to improve the team with complementary talent. Gilbert for all of his spending has always had the businessman’s tendency to try to build the cheapest, worst team that was “good enough” around LeBron.

TheOtherJason
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TheOtherJason
4 months 16 days ago

wasted the rodney hood game

Vintage
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Vintage
4 months 16 days ago

That shot by Durant is just crazy

JB225
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JB225
4 months 16 days ago

Well the Cavs get the broom as I expected.

Brian
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Brian
4 months 16 days ago

Kevin Durant is so excited to go home and check his Twitter account about how great he is. Unfortunately everyone still thinks he is a tool and front runner. Sadface

TheOtherJason
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TheOtherJason
4 months 16 days ago

he’ll post good stuff about himself

Chris K
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Chris K
4 months 16 days ago

He and Colangelo will help each other out… fragile is the word…

TheOtherJason
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TheOtherJason
4 months 16 days ago

fitting it ends on jr smith losing his guy

JMKP
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JMKP
4 months 16 days ago

Wtf wtf wtf. Wtf defense.

GreekCavsFan
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GreekCavsFan
4 months 16 days ago

What a game by the most cowardly player in the history of the NBA.

Boogieeels
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Boogieeels
4 months 16 days ago

Why the FFFF did LeBron switch that??? No reason

Jack
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Jack
4 months 16 days ago

It wasn’t Lebron. It’s systemic. If they had a solid defense and communication, they could have been more judicious, but the plan after game 1 was to switch everything because it’s even uglier when they have to decide and communicate whether or not to switch — e.g. the 500 Javale and Livingston dunks we’ve seen in this series. And look, when KD is rolling like that, it really doesn’t matter if it’s Lebron or somebody else. They set the next screen, KD gets a sliver of space, or Lebron has to hedge under to keep Draymond from getting a free rim run. You just don’t stop that without a much better defense than the Cavs have.

Vintage
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Vintage
4 months 16 days ago

They aren’t even screening him. Someone just comes close to LeBron and they switch.

TheOtherJason
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TheOtherJason
4 months 16 days ago

wish it was the rockets sweeping us, would feel much better

MikeO
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MikeO
4 months 16 days ago

Agree, but with Paul hobbled, I think the Cavs might well have beaten the Rockets…

Chris K
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Chris K
4 months 16 days ago

Agreed…. and that was my hope… but the Rockets were spent…

JRL
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JRL
4 months 16 days ago

That’s the season…

TheOtherJason
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TheOtherJason
4 months 16 days ago

cupcake!

MikeO
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MikeO
4 months 16 days ago

Durent has just destroyed the Cavs…this one probably over…

MikeO
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MikeO
4 months 16 days ago

Brutal TO and Curry three…

TheOtherJason
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TheOtherJason
4 months 16 days ago

braymond has been super chill. they must have told him if he acts up he is out

GreekCavsFan
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GreekCavsFan
4 months 16 days ago

Lebron wants no part of defending Durant. I understand that he is the offense but there are 3 minutes left. He is the only one who can make him think twice. He has to do it for the last two minutes.

Boogieeels
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Boogieeels
4 months 16 days ago

Can we please just post Love?? We are in the damn penalty.

Boogieeels
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Boogieeels
4 months 16 days ago

Thank you for listening!

JB225
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JB225
4 months 16 days ago

Come on Lue draw a great play. Earn your check.

Zinho
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Zinho
4 months 16 days ago

We never seem to respond on offense until they score, we need to follow up our stops with good possessions

Vintage
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Vintage
4 months 16 days ago

Cmon Lue, get some offense going. Love and Hood having good games – don’t just rely on LeBron iso

MikeO
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MikeO
4 months 16 days ago

Hood with all his flaws is better than Clarkson in this series. Yeah, I said it.

Vintage
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Vintage
4 months 16 days ago

He actually has spots on the floor he likes to get to… Clarkson just has no plan whatsoever. Also Hood actually passes up shots sometimes.

GreekCavsFan
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GreekCavsFan
4 months 16 days ago

We have to get a three point lead to unleash the prevent offense.

TheOtherJason
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TheOtherJason
4 months 16 days ago

bron needs some help from the team. jr misses open 3. who can help?

JRL
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JRL
4 months 16 days ago

Hood

JRL
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JRL
4 months 16 days ago

I can’t believe I’m saying this but Hood needs to be the offense now.

Phil Hubbard
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Phil Hubbard
4 months 16 days ago

LeBron doesn’t have his legs tonight. He’s 0-5 outside the paint.

JRL
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JRL
4 months 16 days ago

He should know better. Attack.

JMKP
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JMKP
4 months 16 days ago

This is such an intense game

Vintage
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Vintage
4 months 16 days ago

LeBron bailed out by Durant not being able to coral that rebound

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