Finals Live Thread: Cavs @ Warriors, Game 2

The Cavs are back in Oracle Arena after a very controversial game one loss. That game will down in history and may even be what people remember about the 2018 Finals, regardless of who the victor is.

For many Cavs fans, it will be the game that LeBron James took a charge, that was called on the floor, from Kevin Durant while standing a very reasonable distant from the cylinder. It will be the game the refs decided that he might have been in the cylinder; but even after they saw he wasn’t in the restricted area in a replay, they still decided to rule the call a blocking foul because it looked like one and they could. It was a call reversal the league rarely sees.  And, although it was within the rules of the game, it was completely ridiculous.

For other fans, this will be the J.R. Smith game. After securing a last second offensive rebound with the game tied and time left on the clock to call a timeout, Smith dribbled out the clock and said he thought the Cavs were up . Then he said he maybe didn’t know the score with his body language. Then Ty Lue said that J.R. didn’t know the score during the post-game presser. J.R. claimed he did know the score after the game. And, yesterday, Smith acknowledged he didn’t know the score. As of now, he may know the score. He may not. Who knows what’s going on in Swish’s head.

Some of the most crazed fans will think of this as the George Hill game. Hill missed a late free throw that would have put the Cavs ahead to avoid overtime and force a very tough Warrior’s final shot attempt.

This game could even be remembered as the Tristan Thompson getting ejected for reacting to Draymond Green’s dancing and taunting antics in overtime game.

For me, this game is going to be the game that pushed LeBron James and the rest of the Cavs enough  to win a title. The Cavs are underdogs. People have been saying that all year. True or not, the Cavs were clearly sick of that talk in game 1 and responded properly.

Tonight, the Wine & Gold are responding to getting worked by the system. I’m not going to say if feeling that way is right or wrong. And, nobody will ever be able to say if the Cavs got worked for sure. For people that want Cleveland to win, this is actually a great situation.

The Cavs are feeling a certain way. In their eyes, they were jobbed. Just listen to their statements from after they game. You can’t change a person’s feelings. If you’ve ever been mad, you know that. When you’re told to be happy, it’s basically a switch to send you into supernova anger mode.

The Cavs are going to channel this feeling tonight, and there’s nothing anyone can do about it.

Let’s look at some things to watch:

  1. Fouls. The Cavs need to commit many of them. The refs are going to call this game tight, and the Warriors have a guy that’s easily excitable. Cleveland needs to poke the bear. Or, as followers of the blog know him as, the donkey, Draymond Green. Fouling more would also help Cleveland stop fast breaks. The Warriors had 28 fast break points in game one. A lot of those breaks came from guys not getting back down the court because the floor was off-balance. Guys must foul if they think a fast break is going to happen. The Warriors will get easy buckets, and Cleveland should eliminate as many of them as possible. Killing the fast break is the easiest way. Rotations will be blown in half-court defense because the Warriors are just that good, and that’s something Tyronn Lue must live with.
  2. Cleveland needs to keep foisting 3s. They went just 10-37 in game one, and that was a fluke. The Cavs have great 3-point shooters. They will have a game where they hit 17 3s.
  3. LeBron is gonna LeBron. He had 51 points on Thursday. A lot of media folks say the Cavs blew his 51 points by losing. Guess what, LeBron can score that much again, if he wants. Anything is possible right now for him. He is currently tied with Jerry West for the most 40 point games in a playoff run, eight. The Warriors don’t have anyone who can hassle the King, and it’s going to be a treat to see what he decides to do tonight. If he decides to score 60, I wouldn’t be surprised.

I’m picking the Cavs to win 113-97.

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Phil Hubbard
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14 days 16 hours ago

Right Down Euclid
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Right Down Euclid
14 days 17 hours ago

daspec90
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daspec90
14 days 16 hours ago

O.K. That’s pretty good.

running jumper
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running jumper
14 days 17 hours ago

Regarding JR, we also lost his ability to go 1-on-1. He’s already done. It’s that or T.Lue completely forgotten 2016’s effective plays where he would put JR on Curry and let them be. I think it’s both. That play brought us another way of beating them because we make Curry defend. Zero of that happening now except when he switches with Lebron.

Phil Hubbard
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Phil Hubbard
14 days 17 hours ago

In 2016 the Cavs lost the first two games by 15 and 33 points. So by comparison they’ve started stronger this year, even thought they’re still down 0-2.

“Yeah, but…” I know, I know. Durant in, Kyrie out. But it’s still too early to run up the white flag.

Win game 3. See what happens. Put them under pressure, extend the series, wear down their legs and watch their shooting suffer.

running jumper
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running jumper
14 days 17 hours ago

This ain’t over yet for me too. But those 2016 first two games we really have no business of winning. The game 1 of this year is different. This is the finals for goodness sakes. Chances here don’t come that often. F*CK!!!!! What a missed opportunity.

Raffy22
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Raffy22
14 days 17 hours ago

Yes – call me crazy, but I don’t think this series is over.

Vintage
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Vintage
14 days 17 hours ago

Lue needs to find ways to spell LeBron for around 6-8 minutes/game. He can’t roll him out there without any breaks and expect high intensity on the defensive end. Tired LeBron still gets nearly a triple double, but they just can’t defend at a high enough level. They held GS to 107 points in regulation last game vs 122 tonight. I expect that to be better in Game 3.

Phil Hubbard
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Phil Hubbard
14 days 17 hours ago

If only they had a wing on the bench with good size and athleticism who they could bring in for defensive energy…

Raffy22
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Raffy22
14 days 17 hours ago

I think the Cavs can win the next 2 games. But I must admit that I’ve been drinking for the last 3 hours.

Chris K
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Chris K
14 days 17 hours ago

No, I am with you… and I have only had soooome scotch…

Scotch
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Scotch
14 days 17 hours ago

Yes?

JRL
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JRL
14 days 10 hours ago

Haha. Good one ;)

Pete
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Pete
14 days 17 hours ago

It’s going to be hard to avoid all the Warriors slurping for the next 3 days. Yuck. Pod for this game?

Vintage
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Vintage
14 days 17 hours ago

JRL
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14 days 17 hours ago

I’m just baffled by Lue’s inability to see that we could use guys like Cedi and Calderón out there. In the case of Cedi, high energy and enthusiasm. Knows where to be and how to attack the basket.

On Calderón you have a team oriented, smart player who knows when to pass and when to shoot. So nothing like Clarkson.

Lue needs to go…

RefSuckHard
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RefSuckHard
14 days 18 hours ago

KLLREFS – what is sad is the Cavs are traumatized BC the refs in Game 1. There is NO comeback from that. Series should have been closed down BC of refs un G1.

Chris K
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Chris K
14 days 17 hours ago

Agreed, to an extent. The chip they would have played this game with, considering they were up 1-0, would have been immense… you could see the lack of calls was still on their mind. My hope is that the NBA wants this to go seven, and they get served some home cooking in games 3 and 4….

Raffy22
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14 days 18 hours ago

I know this will sound crazy, but I thought the Cavs actually played ok tonight. They kept it decently close most of the game – I think they will be much better at home. As down as we all are right now, we might be feeling very different after Wednesday. I’m feeling weirdly optimistic.

Chris K
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Chris K
14 days 17 hours ago

I am with you…

Nate Smith
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14 days 18 hours ago

Man I wanted game 1. I don’t know if the Cavs can overcome the Warriors, the refs and Lue.

Pete
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14 days 18 hours ago

We play like we did on the road at home we can take these two games. Then you never know if there is an injury. Or two. Don’t want us to lay down. Don’t think we will.

Pete
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Pete
14 days 18 hours ago

Can’t expect much from Lue, but he’s got to bench Clarkson.

topgun
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topgun
14 days 18 hours ago

honestly, this series is officially over… Bron knows it. Entire nation knows it.

you win that game 1, this goes to 6 or 7…

now, sure, we could win one at home, but just to prolong the inevitable for 2-3 days.

GS is a GREAT team… just no other way to say it. and our team just has no legitimate stars other than Bron. Love is decent but he’s no difference maker. He would be just a good 3rd option w/ some rebounding abilities.

I used to be anti-Bron for many years, but after this season i am truly a fan and wish him best. I sincerely hope he goes to Philly and wins 1-2 more rings… he just won’t be able to do that here w/ Gilbert and novice FO.

Chris K
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Chris K
14 days 17 hours ago

Disagree. This team is getting its agitation in order… the home crowd is going to surprise those who don’t watch basketball closely… the Warriors are going to be shocked by the intensity of what we give them…

Nate Smith
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14 days 18 hours ago

Shut up.

running jumper
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running jumper
14 days 18 hours ago

Do we have a troll screening on this blog? Can someone propose one?

topgun
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topgun
14 days 18 hours ago

it’s called I live in reality… I love my Cavs.. for 35 years.. but it’s time to move on…. and we will… i just deal w/ reality… this series is OVER… Bron ‘should’ leave… didn’t like it the first time, but I am 100% behind him wherever he goes…

NickNevers
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NickNevers
14 days 18 hours ago

I’m sure your favorite period of the team was 2011-2014. Those were great times.

Mike Podracky
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Mike Podracky
14 days 18 hours ago

Your posts are insufferable at best.

JRL
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JRL
14 days 18 hours ago

I kind of have to side with topgun here, other than the Philly part. LeBron should go somewhere where he has a better shot at a ring and not be held back by a horrid coach and a weak stable.

NickNevers
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NickNevers
14 days 17 hours ago

Only thing I’ll say is I feel like the Cavs, even with the “weak stable” could beat any team except these Warriors. I mean KD just messed up everything.

Teams can change on a dime in the NBA, if LeBron commits to staying, you never know what kind of moves we could make to strengthen the team (or worst case scenario, screw it up.)

running jumper
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running jumper
14 days 17 hours ago

Agree with Nick. Why as a fan would like your best player ever to leave? Saying he should go somewhere better as if that can’t be here?

One fact tho. LeBron no matter how great he is on the court can’t be considered off the hook with our financial flexibility. JR and Tristan’s contract hampered us.

Chris K
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Chris K
14 days 17 hours ago

You are fixating on some fanciful aspects of this team. When the refs make calls in our direction–and they will–watch how the atmosphere of this series changes… these teams are closer than the media’s estimation thinks…

JRL
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JRL
14 days 18 hours ago

I absolutely hate the refs from game 1 now more than ever. And I’m sorry, but JR needs to be gone the moment the season ends on Friday.

running jumper
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running jumper
14 days 18 hours ago

I second this. Time to cut him stretch pay or whatever. I absolutely recall the last game JR became really hot on 3 is game 2 against Atlanta 2016. He’s been living with reputation since.

Vintage
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Vintage
14 days 18 hours ago

Would not have won Game 7 in 2016 without shots he made in that game. But point taken, he has not had the patented JR fuego game this season.

running jumper
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running jumper
14 days 18 hours ago

Ok I exaggerated I’ll include game 7 2016. But yeah I think we all agree here.

topgun
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topgun
14 days 18 hours ago

you can’t live in the past.. enough already… how long are we going to talk about 2016? enough… same w/ Lue… he is NOT a top 20 NBA HC… clearly.. except in the eyes of Gilbert.. he can keep him if he wants, as this team will be a lottery team for next 10years

running jumper
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running jumper
14 days 18 hours ago

The moment you said how long are we going to talk 2016 shows what you really are already. Gtfoh you fake fan.

Chris K
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Chris K
14 days 17 hours ago

Amen. 2016 is our touchstone…

NickNevers
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NickNevers
14 days 18 hours ago

Hey man, that was our first chip in 52 years and first ever for the Cavs, we can live in that moment as long as we want thank you very much.

JRL
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JRL
14 days 18 hours ago

I’m with Nick ;)

Pete
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Pete
14 days 18 hours ago

Every other coach in league and everyone retired in the last 50 years would bench Clarkson.

JMKP
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JMKP
14 days 18 hours ago

We came back from 3 and 1, and we should have won Game 1. There’s always a chance.

JRL
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JRL
14 days 18 hours ago

Durant wasn’t there and we had Kyrie.

Chris K
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Chris K
14 days 17 hours ago

Stop it.

GreekCavsFan
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GreekCavsFan
14 days 18 hours ago

I can see absolutely no way we beat this team 4 out of 5. Game 1 was our chance to really make it a series.

Pete
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Pete
14 days 18 hours ago

The warriors are assholes for keeping their players in after the Cavs emptied the bench. Hate those guys.

JMKP
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JMKP
14 days 18 hours ago

Even in garbage time, Clarkson is garbage

daspec90
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daspec90
14 days 18 hours ago

Ha!

Leo
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Leo
14 days 18 hours ago

Cavs never came out ready for this one for some odd reason; Lebron playing nearly the whole game is just weird; we needed to stretch the rotation. Kerr playing guys like Looney, Javale, and Swaggy P,and some random rook; Lue not bothering to play Cedi or Calderon when they are needed for a series like this. Hope tide turns at home; be interesting how officiating is in Cleveland, could be a riot if it remains the same.

Chris K
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Chris K
14 days 17 hours ago

Yes, that is Lue’s weakness, as it was Brown’s…

GreekCavsFan
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GreekCavsFan
14 days 18 hours ago

Can we cut Clarkson?

GreekCavsFan
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GreekCavsFan
14 days 18 hours ago

Cedi playing way too far off Curry there.

Vintage
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Vintage
14 days 18 hours ago

Lol Curry was outside the 3 point line when he started his step back. Just crazy range.

GreekCavsFan
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GreekCavsFan
14 days 18 hours ago

I know but Cedi should too. Normal rules don’t apply to Curry.

Joeyb
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Joeyb
14 days 18 hours ago

That’s probably the series.

running jumper
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running jumper
14 days 18 hours ago

Pondering about the future.

Vintage
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Vintage
14 days 18 hours ago

By god, Jordan Clarkson does not need any more confidence, JVG. Esp after garbage time buckets.

Phil Hubbard
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Phil Hubbard
14 days 18 hours ago

They need Perk dressed for when Curry starts showboating here

GreekCavsFan
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GreekCavsFan
14 days 18 hours ago

Man this team is so tough to beat.

JMKP
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JMKP
14 days 18 hours ago

Everything is dark and the disquieting cacophony drums with the fading beat of a dying heart

JRL
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JRL
14 days 18 hours ago

Thanks for the visuals.

JMKP
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JMKP
14 days 18 hours ago

I needed to bring my angsty 13 year old emo self out during this loss…gotta love bad poetic imagry

JMKP
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JMKP
14 days 18 hours ago

Former* 13 year old emo self lol

Leo
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Leo
14 days 18 hours ago

Lue needs to concede and sit lebron and move on

JRL
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JRL
14 days 18 hours ago

Thats it for me. I only wish Lue gets fired after we get swept.

Nate Smith
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14 days 18 hours ago

Bullshit call. Steph stuck his leg out.

JMKP
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JMKP
14 days 18 hours ago

JR is garbage. Jeff Green is garbage.

JMKP
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JMKP
14 days 18 hours ago

Kick your leg out and get a foul. Cool bro

Phil Hubbard
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Phil Hubbard
14 days 18 hours ago

Good god Looney freaking collared James at the start of that drive, but no call.

And then of course Curry hits a 3.

Phil Hubbard
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Phil Hubbard
14 days 18 hours ago

Hey, Jackson and Van Gundy actually singling out Draymond’s garbage!

Phil Hubbard
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Phil Hubbard
14 days 18 hours ago

Make me sick

GreekCavsFan
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GreekCavsFan
14 days 18 hours ago

If the Kylie trade had netted us just one capable wing we would be so much better. I kind of miss Crowder now.

Right Down Euclid
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Right Down Euclid
14 days 18 hours ago

I still think we have a chance this series but the warriors ruined basketball

Phil Hubbard
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Phil Hubbard
14 days 18 hours ago

He could play Cedi

JMKP
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JMKP
14 days 18 hours ago

He’d be good if we had a coach

Scotch
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Scotch
14 days 18 hours ago

Somebody freaking box out! We are playing 23 seconds of great defense half the game and 6 times they have still gotten points

Nate Smith
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14 days 18 hours ago

Man love’s D has been awesome this game. If. The cavs had a freaking 2 guard.

JMKP
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JMKP
14 days 18 hours ago

How is draymond green not called for a foul every single posession?

Phil Hubbard
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Phil Hubbard
14 days 18 hours ago

“Good aggressive defense”

Scotch
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Scotch
14 days 18 hours ago

When you foul every single possession it isnt an outlier so the refs dont call it

JMKP
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JMKP
14 days 18 hours ago

Truth

Leo
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Leo
14 days 18 hours ago

Gotta get consecutive stops I don’t think that’s happened in this game

Phil Hubbard
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Phil Hubbard
14 days 18 hours ago

Great D by Love on Curry, but Draymond gets the follow over Hill

JRL
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JRL
14 days 18 hours ago

Livingston and McGee are the difference makers.

GreekCavsFan
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GreekCavsFan
14 days 18 hours ago

Livingston has been killing us since 2015. We never really had any answer for him.

Vintage
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Vintage
14 days 18 hours ago

Really a result of Curry, Klay, and Durant’s elite shot making. Have to play them so close that it opens it up for the other guys. Every time we made a run, one of those three had a big shot. Elite off the ball movement in addition to shot making. Just so hard to overcome.

Peter
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14 days 18 hours ago

Dumb begets dumb. Jeff Green on Curry is a complete disaster with the latter’ ability to relocate and the former ‘s penchant for getting discombobulated on switches and rotations.

Brian
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Brian
14 days 18 hours ago

Curry is such a great player. It is really inspiring to watch a player succeed with such a feminine physique. Very inspiring.

Kevin
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Kevin
14 days 18 hours ago

Curry is 8-22 and it feels like he hasn’t missed a shot

Nate Smith
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14 days 18 hours ago

Bron doesn’t have the gas for this. He’s yet to sit.

Leo
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Leo
14 days 18 hours ago

Curry always shoots so why are we leaving him or creating space ??? I don’t get it

JRL
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JRL
14 days 18 hours ago

I don’t understand this either.

Nate Smith
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14 days 18 hours ago

Jeff Green hammered no call. Other end Curry three. Five point swing.

JMKP
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JMKP
14 days 18 hours ago

Game one has led me to what psychologists call learned helplessness. I have come to accept these kind of no-call/swing electric shocks. Much easier if you just keep laying down and accept it…

MikeO
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MikeO
14 days 18 hours ago

Curry 83% healthy now, obviously…

JMKP
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JMKP
14 days 18 hours ago

Ticky tack foul to start the fourth. Awesome.

JRL
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JRL
14 days 18 hours ago

Would Cedi be any, any worst that JR at this point? Like seriously Lue, JR has sucked the whole game.

JMKP
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JMKP
14 days 18 hours ago

So you’re saying Lue should play Clarkson and Hood more? I think Lue agrees with you!

Leo
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Leo
14 days 18 hours ago

Lue tightening a rotation when he should be expanding it

JMKP
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JMKP
14 days 18 hours ago

So Kyrie Irving is a movie star now? Is a Pepsi Commercial character viable for a full length movie? Can’t wait to see the rotten tomatoes score…

JRL
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JRL
14 days 18 hours ago

The movie will make money. I’m sure they don’t care for Oscar nominations.

Nate Smith
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14 days 19 hours ago

Bench gotta give em something here.

Phil Hubbard
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Phil Hubbard
14 days 19 hours ago

Still in it. Does LeBron have another level for the 4th?

JMKP
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JMKP
14 days 19 hours ago

Ten point game. We are still in this thing.

Let’s hope…lots of Love and Nance and TT awesomeness. No Clarkson. Minimal JR and Green. And we get under GS’s skin and make them make bad mistakes.

Leo
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Leo
14 days 19 hours ago

Need some korver time and maybe better defense

Scotch
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Scotch
14 days 19 hours ago

This game has been such hot garbage. We could still win tho. So tough to get within 5 twice and then leave klay open

Vintage
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Vintage
14 days 19 hours ago

Going to need something otherworldly to happen to win this game…

MikeO
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MikeO
14 days 19 hours ago

Jeff Green has been Jeff Green tonight…

Brian
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Brian
14 days 19 hours ago

Jeff green looks so lazy at times

JMKP
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JMKP
14 days 19 hours ago

Omfg Jeff Green…

Phil Hubbard
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Phil Hubbard
14 days 19 hours ago

MikeO
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MikeO
14 days 19 hours ago

Green clanks a three, and West hits a contested three…just brutal…

JRL
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JRL
14 days 19 hours ago

This is on Lue.

JMKP
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JMKP
14 days 19 hours ago

Imagine if we had literally any other coach..:

JRL
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JRL
14 days 19 hours ago

Honestly anyone but him. And because we made it to the finals, I’m sure Dan is gonna keep him another season… Ugh.

JRL
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JRL
14 days 19 hours ago

West just made a 3… Amazing

Nate Smith
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14 days 19 hours ago

Jeff Green sucks

JMKP
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JMKP
14 days 19 hours ago

Can someone tell Ty Lue that?

MikeO
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MikeO
14 days 19 hours ago

Stop throwing to Green on the three point line…ugh

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