Playoff Podcap: Cavs 116, Raptors 105 (or, Cheers!)

LeBron James said he’s more of a red wine guy than a beer guy in his post game presser, referring to his pantomiming of taking a swig during a break in play in the third quarter of the Cavs’ opening game victory over the Toronto Raptors. If he continues to play at this rate, he might just be a champagne guy again at the end of the post-season. The King led all scorers with 35 points on 13-23 shots (including 2-5 from three and 7-8 from the line), and added 10 boards, four assists a block and a steal. The rest of his triumvirate also came through big, as Kyrie Irving had 24 points and 10 dimes, and Kevin Love had 18 points and nine rebounds. Tristan Thompson also had a double double with 11 points and 14 boards. The bench had a bit more trouble holding on against the Raptor reserves, but the Cavs did a terrific job of trapping Toronto’s big guns, DeMar DeRozan and Kyle Lowry for most of the game.

Nate, Tom and EG gathered around the podcast booth and raised a few toasts to the Cavs for their performance in this initial second round game (they’re now 16-1 at home in the playoffs the last three seasons). We speculated on what changes or adjustments the Raptors might make in Game 2, and whether or not they’d be able to make it a more challenging series. We took a look at some of the other series, including the now almost karmic cause in Boston and tonight’s carnage in San Antonio. We also debated if Mike Brown subbing for Steve Kerr would slow down the Warriors at all… which quickly devolved into Tom and EG arguing the legacy of the twice former coach of the Cavs.

Anyway, here’s to the Cavs on another victory! You can listen to it all above, on Soundcloud, iTunes, or Google Play.

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James
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James
1 year 4 months ago

Is there any possible way Ainge can let Thomas go now. Clearly he’s scoring a ton (due to inept opposition) but with all the emotion regarding his sister, the fans adoring him and no-one wanting to print a bad word against him I can’t fathom how he doesn’t get an extension. Obviously this all works great for us as Cavs fans!

Tom Pestak
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1 year 4 months ago

In retrospect, Mike Brown made a huge error in sticking with Ben Wallace as much as he did in the 2009 ECF. Big Ben’s Plus Minus was putrid and there were some memorable shots made against him by Roidin’ Rashard Lewis. All that said, what the Cavs did in 2009 was remarkable. They were the best team in the league and ran into Peak Dwight Howard and a buzzsaw of hot shooting.

All season long that Magic team was stout defensively. The Cavs scored enough to win. They couldn’t get stops – Mike Brown made crazy adjustments game to game – every adjustment he made the Magic countered. The game where he went to Hack a Dwight, Howard made a shit ton of Free throws….

Kevin
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Kevin
1 year 4 months ago

That Lakers team would have destroyed the Cavs. They had 3 legit 7-footers. The Cavs had Z and Varejao.

daspec90
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daspec90
1 year 4 months ago

Good points.

MikeO
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MikeO
1 year 4 months ago

I think that just wasn’t the Cavs’ year. Not many teams are going to beat a team playing out of their ass like the Magic did in that series,

daspec90
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daspec90
1 year 4 months ago

Coming late to the discussion on Mike Brown. A good defensive coach, and a good man who never said a bad thing about anyone, even when they said bad things about him.

Having said that, I will now say something bad about Mike Brown. As I recall, one thing that Mike Brown could not do to save his life was make in-game adjustments, particularly on offense. In a playoff series, that’s gonna hurt them. Maybe the Warriors’ assistant coaches could paper that over. I dunno.

MikeO
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MikeO
1 year 4 months ago

I’m 99.9% certain Klay is stoned out of his mind right now…

JRL
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JRL
1 year 4 months ago

Make anyone else beat you. You can’t let a 5’9″ dude score 50pts. I thought Coach Brooks would have had a better scheme.

Unreal!

Tim
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Tim
1 year 4 months ago

Celtics are paper tigers, fake tough guys, unfortunately the Wizards are letting the air vampire’s gain momentum. It’s really quite simple, IT isn’t that good at passing out of a double team, he wants to score and flex and show the world he’s the little Napoleon who could. Stop him and the Celtics will eventually stop hitting absurd shots. The Wizards disgust me, they can’t stick with a game plan to save their lives. Just because Kelly O and Marcus Dumb hit a couple jumpers, doesn’t make them good, make anyone but IT score for 48 minutes and the Celtics will crumble. Unfortunately, Scott Brooks.

Nate Smith
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1 year 4 months ago

Scott Brooks is an awful playoff coach. Always has been, probably always will be.

JRL
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JRL
1 year 4 months ago

Thomas gets more foul calls on him than last year’s Harden…

MikeO
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MikeO
1 year 4 months ago

He doesn’t even need to kick guys in the nutz and hook arms to get the calls…he just gets them if anyone is within touching distance…

Cols714
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Cols714
1 year 4 months ago

Thank goodness we root for a team with real talent. Could you imagine trying to root for those try hards?

Cols714
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Cols714
1 year 4 months ago

Horrid. Just ugly

Cols714
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Cols714
1 year 4 months ago

Glad that abomination is over.

Patrick
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Patrick
1 year 4 months ago

This officiating on Thomas is atrocious. Could give Cavs a bit of heartburn. Thought Beal and Wall would be better than this.

Cols714
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Cols714
1 year 4 months ago

Nah. Cavs will sweep either team. This is bad basketball by both of these sucky teams.

scott
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scott
1 year 4 months ago

the guy has 50 points and the wizards cannot figure out how to get the ball out of his hands. Just bad coaching.

MikeO
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MikeO
1 year 4 months ago

I agree with this…just blitz his a$$ constantly…make anyone else beat you. Lousy coaching.

Mike Podracky
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Mike Podracky
1 year 4 months ago

Agree on the terrible schemes. And the Wizards were totally gassed too

MikeO
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MikeO
1 year 4 months ago

He’s protected more than Jordan ever was…

Cols714
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Cols714
1 year 4 months ago

Terrible game. Just bad basketball.

MikeO
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MikeO
1 year 4 months ago

Hoiberg kinda sucks, but, god, he’s so right about Thomas carrying the ball…he does it constantly…

Kevin
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Kevin
1 year 4 months ago

I’m tired of hearing about John Wall. This midget is roasting his ass

MikeO
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MikeO
1 year 4 months ago

Wall hasn’t been good from the 4th on…

Cols714
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Cols714
1 year 4 months ago

Unreal how bad these teams are.

MikeO
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MikeO
1 year 4 months ago

On Crowder’s tombstone it’ll say ‘he was good considering his contract’.

Simmo
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Simmo
1 year 4 months ago

Great game. Please continue beating on each other!!

Mike Podracky
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Mike Podracky
1 year 4 months ago

Wall looking now like bad Kryie

MikeO
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MikeO
1 year 4 months ago

Pretty nervous shots from the Bullets…going to OT….

MikeO
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MikeO
1 year 4 months ago

Cannot even touch Thomas…can’t even look like you touch him…

Cols714
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Cols714
1 year 4 months ago

Cavs will sweep either of these two sucky teams.

MikeO
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MikeO
1 year 4 months ago

I simply cannot wait until Ainge has to pay some of these scrubs or let them walk….that’ll be great…

MikeO
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MikeO
1 year 4 months ago

Terrible possession by Wall…runs the clock down to get an iso play, where he ends up heaving a 35 footer as the shot clock expires.

Phil Hubbard
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Phil Hubbard
1 year 4 months ago

Big fail by Wizards settling for jumpers when they’re in the early bonus.

Cols714
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Cols714
1 year 4 months ago

Both these teams suck.

Mike Podracky
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Mike Podracky
1 year 4 months ago

Very solid analysis as always just saying a team or player sucks. Thx for the insight

scott
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scott
1 year 4 months ago

Not to look past the Raptors, but I want Boston.

MikeO
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MikeO
1 year 4 months ago

Please stop giving Thomas wide open corner threes…

Cols714
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Cols714
1 year 4 months ago

Kelly Oubrey sucks.

MikeO
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MikeO
1 year 4 months ago

Nice flop attempt, Smart…

Kevin
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Kevin
1 year 4 months ago

The Cavs are going to feast one whatever remains of these two teams.

Nate Smith
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1 year 4 months ago

Celtics are complete freaking thugs. Olynyk would win my award for “person I most want to punch in the face.” And with the current president, that’s saying something.

Tim
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Tim
1 year 4 months ago

Braymond

Mike Podracky
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Mike Podracky
1 year 4 months ago

+1

MikeO
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MikeO
1 year 4 months ago

Watch the cheap shots go through the roof if the Celtics get behind in the series.

MikeO
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MikeO
1 year 4 months ago

Nice to see the Celtics engaging in their usual thug ball. Wiz will be lucky to get out of this series alive. Lucky President Stevens is a choir boy, and he’d be shocked, SHOCKED that gambling is going on in this establishment.

Leo
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Leo
1 year 4 months ago

Wall is destroying the Celtics….Beal is somewhat quiet….Thomas gets practically every foul call…its annoying as hell to watch

MikeO
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MikeO
1 year 4 months ago

Refs need to stop giving Thomas gifts in the playoffs. It’s revolting.

MikeO
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MikeO
1 year 4 months ago

Celtic fans are the worst. No others come close.

JRL
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JRL
1 year 4 months ago

GS fans are worst.

MikeO
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MikeO
1 year 4 months ago

They are just bandwagon morons, the kind every winning team attracts. Celtics have had the worst for decades.

Cols714
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Cols714
1 year 4 months ago

Yes. Smug arrogant front runners.

MikeO
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MikeO
1 year 4 months ago

Oubre has such an annoying game and demeanor that I’m surprised he’s not a Celtic. Would seem a natural fit.

Leo
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Leo
1 year 4 months ago

Great podcast loved the bickering at the end over mike brown

TheOtherJason
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TheOtherJason
1 year 4 months ago

Love you guys – can you figure out a format where you don’t talk all over each other’s interesting points?

Nate Smith
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1 year 4 months ago

Yeah sorry I’m the worst

Charlie E
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Charlie E
1 year 4 months ago

Agree with comments that it didn’t feel like a playoff game. Cavs seemed to just be horsing around and having fun more than I’ve ever seen in a playoff game.

Mike Podracky
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Mike Podracky
1 year 4 months ago

Awesome discussion, guys, and really enjoyed the Mike Brown debate particularly. LeBron’s athleticism is amazing for 14 years in the league. Very fortunate to be sitting about ten rows behind the basket, where James made that left handed jam off the Irving backboard pass. From this perspective, I didn’t think James could reach that “pass” as it was angled off his running trajectory and very high. It was jaw dropping to see him catch and jam it from so close. I am not sure who else could make that play, and certainly no one today at 32. I think he’ll end his career being widely considered the second best player of all time and a few polls have him there already.

JRL
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JRL
1 year 4 months ago

He is already there and should end up as the GOAT. MJ was phenomenal but he couldn’t do everything LeBron does.

Nate Smith
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1 year 4 months ago

I’d argue that getting the 2007 team to the finals could never be described as a failure. Beyond that? While I don’t think he was a fantastic coach, he was saddled with a total train wreck of a team with completely unrealistic expectations in La La Land. The 2014 Cavs had a ceiling of 43 wins. He got 33 while trying to find minutes for the worst draft pick of all time, and a rotation of Dion, Delly, Kyrie, Waiters, TT, CJ Miles, and Alonzo Gee. Add Earl Clark, Jarrett Jack, American Patriot, Spencer Hawes, and bad trade Deng, and it’s hard to say that MB was moving the need much. Man that team had some turds on it.

warriorsfan
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warriorsfan
1 year 4 months ago

One way to look at it if he got best of his players, everyone barring Lebron struggled post Cavs. I mean, how the hell did Mo williams became all star ?

Tim
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Tim
1 year 4 months ago

LeBron

Cols714
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Cols714
1 year 4 months ago

Demarre Carroll never went basket to basket against LeBron. What on earth are you talking about Nate?

Nate Smith
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1 year 4 months ago

The quote was “basket for basket.” But you’re right. He stunk against the Cavs. I was thinking of his 2014 series against Washington. Cavs have always owned him.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/carrode01/gamelog/2015#18-23-sum:pgl_basic_playoffs

Cols714
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Cols714
1 year 4 months ago

Yep. Nice. I do not know how to use the gamelog stuff on br. I suck.

Cols714
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Cols714
1 year 4 months ago

After the game, LeBron said something like “we will be better on Wednesday”

JB225
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JB225
1 year 4 months ago

And he is right, they always play better in game 2. I also expect the Raptors to play better and because of that it should be a more competitive game but with the same result, a Cavs W by 8 points.

Cols714
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Cols714
1 year 4 months ago

The legacy of Mike Brown is he took a team with LeBron and got nowhere with it. Dude sucked so bad. Then he got re-hired and tried to make Tristan Thompson a jump shooter.

His legacy is of a failed head coach. He failed with LeBron freaking James. It doesn’t get more failed than that.

worldbfree
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worldbfree
1 year 4 months ago

Put me on Team Cols for this one. (yikes!)

Mike Brown will forever be the epitome of the phrase, “failing upwards.”

I am grateful every day that we no longer have Mr. Potato Head on the sidelines looking lost, failing to call timeouts, and pretty much doing nothing other than kiss LBJ’s butt.

We may very well lose in the Finals to GSW, but you can be sure it won’t be due to Lue getting outcoached…

NOMAD
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NOMAD
1 year 4 months ago

AMICO HOOPS SAID IT BEST (ABOUT LEBRON ) —-LET’S APPRECIATE HIS GREATNESS EVERY MOMENT THAT WE GET THE OPPORTUNITY !!

Cols714
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Cols714
1 year 4 months ago

1. Biyombo sucks
2. Good on Tom for ending the freakout over LeBron freethrows.

Cols714
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Cols714
1 year 4 months ago

This seems like a safe one to listen to while at work.

Gordon
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Gordon
1 year 4 months ago

So far in these playoffs, LeBron looks like he is playing better than he ever has in his career. His efficiency is absurd. His jumper is wet right now (including from 3pt range). And he’s absolutely dominating and making it look effortless. It looks like the guy is playing at half speed sometimes because he just understands every single nuance that is going on in the game.

It’s truly incredible to watch this guy play.

believeLAND
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believeLAND
1 year 4 months ago

Favorite Cavs games are those that Kyrie gets double digit assists. Possibilities are endless when he uses his talent to create for others.

Hot Sauce
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Hot Sauce
1 year 4 months ago

The Cavs success in last year’s Finals contradicts this line of argument. Kyrie had 27 assists in 7 games. Kyrie is arguably the best individual scorer in the league. Depending on matchups, we need him to dominate and focus on scoring . Saying he should pass more without considering matchups is too simplistic. Sometimes that style of play is beautiful to watch but it’s not always the best us if Kyrie’s unique talents.

Cols714
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Cols714
1 year 4 months ago

Hot Sauce is correct. But CtB likes Irving better than to complain about Kyrie.

Gordon
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Gordon
1 year 4 months ago

Agreed. When he has 10 assists the way he did last night, I just don’t think anyone can beat us.

worldbfree
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worldbfree
1 year 4 months ago

Hear hear. Kyrie already has the Kobe part of his game. Cavs taking things to the next level in future seasons depends on him discovering his inner CP3. He does that, sh*t could get just plain nasty out there for other teams.

Hot Sauce
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Hot Sauce
1 year 4 months ago

Playoff Cavs are like the mailman — they always deliver. Team looked great last night. They can elevate to such amazing heights when they are engaged on both ends.

Despite that glowing praise, I actually think TOR wins Game 2, and then the Cavs win in 6. TOR is solid and will play better and I think the Cavs may have 1 or 2 more clunkers in them before they fully engage like Voltron.

I saw Anthony Bennett got released from a team in TURKEY. Poor dude. Never got it together. That Love/Wiggins deal gets better all the time. Can’t believe how little we gave up for Love.

turtleanalytics
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turtleanalytics
1 year 4 months ago

While obviously a good deal for the Cavs, it is odd to suggest that trading Wiggins is a “little.” He certainly has a bright future. This deal made sense for both teams. As Zach Lowe mentioned back earlier this year:

“Wiggins is 21 years old. He is going to average more than 20 points per game for the second straight season.

Yeah, there are holes. He doesn’t feel the game as naturally as you’d hope. He takes an egregious number of awful long 2s early shot clock. His effort level on defense waxes and wanes.

I’m still betting big on his long-term success. Wiggins will be an All-Star. Will he be a top-5 or even a top-10 player? Maybe not. But when did that become the standard? When did anything but that become a failure? “

Hot Sauce
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Hot Sauce
1 year 4 months ago

The Lowe Post!! I agree Wiggins is a talented scorer and good athlete. But his lack of development as a playmaker is hard to ignore. That is not a skill you develop in NBA. On a good team he seems like a Harrison Barnes or Trevor Ariza type. On a weaker team where he gets shots, he will score points. But his lack of playmaking limits his long-term value and makes it unlikely he ever becomes elite. Of course, I could be wrong!

Tom Pestak
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1 year 4 months ago

Love/Wiggins is like Pau Gasol / Marc Gasol. A total steal at the time, that everyone wanted to “wait and see” and point to how great Marc has become. Ultimately, Pau delivered two championships. So that’s where the discussion begins and ends.

Such as with K Love.

Nate Smith
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1 year 4 months ago

People forget that Marc was an afterthought to that deal.

Gordon
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Gordon
1 year 4 months ago

That is true, but I don’t think Wiggins will ever be as good of a player as Marc Gasol has become.

Charlie E
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Charlie E
1 year 4 months ago

Wiggins is 22.

Gordon
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Gordon
1 year 4 months ago

Wiggins is 22 and just posted a PER of 16 in his third year in the league. He is a black hole on offense, doesn’t get teammates involved, and his defense is nowhere near where it was supposed to be coming out of college.

Unless he fixed the issue this past season (admittedly I did not research his latest season in terms of this stat), he is horrid in terms of his usage:assist ratio. That is just not a great ballplayer.

Unless he becomes a DPOY player, I just don’t think he ever becomes elite. He’s a volume scorer who can’t get teammates involved. Considering Love is one of the best players in the league, I think the OP’s term “little” isn’t that far off.

Gordon
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Gordon
1 year 4 months ago

Here’s an article after his sophomore season that goes in depth about how bad he is.

Andrew Wiggins Needs a Lot of Work

“Wiggins boasts a 27 percent usage and a disgustingly low 11.1 assist percentage. Meanwhile, the “inefficient ball hog” that’s Kobe Bryant checks in at a cool 30 percent usage while toting a respectable 29.4 assist percentage. Shoot, even Carmelo Anthony almost triples Wiggins with a 29 percent usage rate while maintaining a 28.7 assist percentage as an iso-dominant player. His teammate goes on to squelch the notion that it’s the Timberwolves’ offense that’s causing his poor numbers, as the fellow uber-athletic Zach LaVine carries his 26 percent usage rate proudly alongside a stout 31.3 assist percentage.”

Considering this past season his USG increased and his AST ratio remained the same, he’s even worse on offense than he was last season.

turtleanalytics
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turtleanalytics
1 year 4 months ago

Thanks. But dude, this article is from February. February 2016. Wiggins was still 20 when that article was written.

I believe that Wiggins does have many flaws (my original post notes this). I just don’t think the Cavs gave up a “little.” It was a good trade for both teams. Wolves were doing nowhere with K Love. Cavs wanted to win now. Win-Win.

In any case, surely motivated reasoning is at play. Obvs we will look for flaws in Wiggins because we want to see these flaws. We are all biased information processors.

turtleanalytics
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turtleanalytics
1 year 4 months ago

Correct. The quote is from earlier this year, when Wiggins was younger.

Cols714
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Cols714
1 year 4 months ago

And he will never be as good as Kevin Love.

NOMAD
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NOMAD
1 year 4 months ago

REPORT THAT J.R. HAD AN MRI ON HIS INJURED THUMB—ANY LATEST RUMORS / REPORTS ON THIS —–HOPING ALL IS GOOD

ChrisKorvalier
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ChrisKorvalier
1 year 4 months ago

Allie Clifton tweeted after the game that there was no X-ray necessary, and there was no structural damage. I think Lue might have misunderstood Windhorst’s question when he said that JR was getting an X-ray.

NOMAD
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NOMAD
1 year 4 months ago

IF LEBRON DIDN’T PICK UP JONES FINE I WOULD HAVE LOBBIED FOR US HERE AT CTB TO CONTRIBUTE —-THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS THE CAVS DID PICK HIM UP ….. ” DON’T GIVE ME ANY CRAP … I WILL GIVE IT BACK TWICE AS HARD ” —BRINGS THAT MENTAL / PHYSICAL TOUGHNESS THAT I AM SURE RUBS OFF ON TEAMMATES —-STILL NO SIGHTING OF R.J. SOMEWHAT PERPLEXED BY THAT ……GOOD WIN ….TY SOUNDS LIKE HE HAS THE CAVS ON “EVEN KEEL ” ….REALIZES THAT ISONLY 1 WIN NEED TO BE READY EACH / EVERY GAME

Simmo
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Simmo
1 year 4 months ago

NOMAD I agree with your points but would add that Jones going in-yr-face when the game was over & he had been on the court for half a second was not what the Cavs nor the series needed.

Cols714
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Cols714
1 year 4 months ago

Yes it was. The Raptors brought out a full court press. This is what happens when you do that crap in garbage time. You get dunked on. Good for Jones.

Simmo
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Simmo
1 year 4 months ago

Wasn’t referring to the dunk.

ChrisKorvalier
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ChrisKorvalier
1 year 4 months ago

Couldn’t agree more. I think that dunk was my 3rd loudest cheer of the game (behind LeBron’s and Shumpert’s).

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