Breaking News: Three Team Trade, Updated
2014-07-09
The Cavs are still hoping to land LeBron James. ESPN is reporting that the Cavs have traded away Jarrett Jack and Sergey Karasev to Brooklyn, while Boston will receive Marcus Thornton from the Nets and Tyler Zeller along with a future first round pick from the Cavs. The Cavs need to take back a pick from either of the other two teams to make the trade valid.
This trade will allow the Cavs the cap room to continue pursuing LeBron, who has stated he wants to make max money next season. It isn’t dissappointing to see the underperforming Jack leave the team, but Zeller will be missed. Throughout last season Zeller showed he had what it takes to be a realiable center coming off of the bench.
LeBron is meeting with Pat Riley in Las Vegas today, so where he lands after free agency is coming closer to the end. Hopefully, the Cavs will know his decision in the coming days. This offseason is certainly looking up for Cleveland.
The pick from the Cavs to the Celtics is reportedly protected.
Per @WojYahooNBA, #Cavs pick to Celtics is top 10 protected in ’16, ’17 and ’18 and unprotected in ’19.
— Jason Lloyd (@JasonLloydABJ) July 9, 2014
Updated:
Sources: Cavs pursuing Ray Allen
— Chris Broussard (@Chris_Broussard) July 9, 2014
The Cavs may have someone to make clutch threes on their team next season.
There’s always Delonte West for the veteran minimum..
So, if we have 3 guys making $20MM each and the salary cap is $63MM – does that mean we divvy up the $3MM amongst everybody else? Just asking.
Lucas Nogueira reportedly being bought out by Toronto because of their frontcourt depth. He’d be a guy I’d take a flier on in hopes of developing a rim protector. Also, New Orleans now in a bind to pull off the Asik trade because the salary cap came in slightly lower than expected. They’d need to trade Austin Rivers to make room. I’m not a big fan of Austin Rivers, but Penn/Johnson did a “Heat roster vs. Cavs roster” breakdown on ESPN and mentioned our complete lack of three point shooting (loss of Hawes, Miles, and hilariously mentioning Jarrett Jack). I… Read more »
Sheridan was just on the Colin Cowherd show and continues to be adamant that his source is correct. It is 100% Cavs and that he broke the news first. He seems offended that he had to justify himself. Hope he is right.
Also, Wiggins camp has apparently been told he would NOT be moved for Kevin Love. So let’s see how that plays out.
Again, I maintain that with or without LeBron and/or Love, I’m think it will be much more enjoyable following the team this year.
Breaking News!
LeBron abducted by UFO! Will play for University of Mars next year.
What a fun off season so far. I really expected all three dudes to re-sign with Miami after opting out of their current contracts for more years and less money in the first couple to give the Heat some breathing room.
I totally didnt’ expect Cleveland to make moves to pursue James. I’m glad they did and I’m glad that they made the decision a tough one for James without giving up anything of real value.
Fun times. But it would be nice to know where he’s heading.
IF / WHEN LEBRON SIGNS ARE ALL OF BLOGGERS GOIGN TO MEET AT THE “Q” FOR 1 BIG PARTY —-I AM BUYING ( FOR MYSELF )
grover let’s hope you are correct—-I live right by cedar pt amusement park —THEY ARE PLANNING ON NAMING A ROLLER COASTER AFTER HIM—C’MON LEBRON THAT SHOULD BE A DONE DEAL
Latest unsubstantiated rumor: Lebron’s orange lambroghini spotted headed towards Cleveland. 11:30am
C’mon everybody, sing it with me:
WHY are we waiting….
we could be masterbating….
Just a thought –
If LeBron chooses the Cavs is he “all in?”
Does he want to be a Cavalier, or does he want the max contract? The easy answer is both. If so, what’s taking him so long?
I’m glad the all-day freakout over losing two players who are replaceable is over. Yeesh. Even if they don’t get LeBron I’m glad they made a play at getting him without sacrificiing any core players.
“Meanwhile, Boston gets significant assets in Zeller, Thornton, future 1st, to take a swing at Love–if CLE doesn’t beat them to it.” -David Aldridge tweet
Wouldn’t that be hilarious…Love goes to Bos for players and a pick WE sent them. That would be soooo Cleveland.
But he wouldn’t come to Cleveland. It’s not the players, it’s the city.
Can’t turn around and trade players you just traded for.
This likely lets them think more about giving up Rondo and Olynyk.
Is this the best day in the history of CtB, or what? (Any stats on submissions in a day?) The way I see it, there are about four intertwined debates going on. 1. Is LeBron coming to the Cavs? 2. Do you want LeBron back? 3. Was the morning trade a good idea? 4. Would trading for Kevin Love be a good idea? On 1, it certainly looks better then 50/50. On 2, Come on! Get over it. On 3, I think we can mostly agree that IF LeBron comes back and takes up the cap space created, it is… Read more »
No matter what some national analysts are going to be dead wrong or weren’t invited to the party. Chris Sheridan and Chris Broussard are all him going back to Cleveland. Most of other people at ESPN including Zach Lowe, Simmons, Wallace, etc side with MIami. Windy seems to have been left out.
If Sheridan is right, there could be a relationship there with Rich Paul. Sheridan wrote a very flattering piece on Paul two years ago.
1.) Maybe
2.) Yes
3.) Had to be done.
4.) Too Risky. Injuries + Contract Negotiations. But couldn’t fault Cavs if they made the move.
1) Seems that way. I think the longer this goes on, the more likely he goes back to the Cavs 2) Yes 3) Ideally, you’d wait until you have a commitment. But we don’t know if that was feasible. Especially with three teams involved. 4) I guess it all depends on what they have to give up. If the trade is Wiggins, Varejao, and TT for Love and Dieng (as a Zeller replacement), I think it’s worth it. This way, the Cavs are keeping Waiters as their 6th man. Pair him with a (hopefully) improved Bennett, and it’s a quality… Read more »
Brandon — we get it. You don’t have to repeat your opinions on every single comment. Also Sheridanhoops reporting Lebron to Cleveland a done deal. Good thing you knew for sure he wasn’t coming back eh?
Some are thinking that since Sheridan didn’t vote LeBron for All NBA First Team (only one to do that), LBJ decided he was gonna give him a bad source and ruin his career.
Sheridan’s career is pretty much ruined between his repeated bad info and ridiculous spats with ESPN and other writers.
Are the people on here not in favor of clearing that cap space legitimately saying that losing Zeller and Karasev (who I love by the way) isn’t worth a 50/50 shot at LeBron James? Mind-boggling. Best player in the NBA.
I THOUROUGHLY ENJOYED THE –“-GORDON / BRANDON DUEL “—–KEPT THE BLOG LIVELY AND ENTERTAINING —-GORDON I SUPPPORT ALL YOUR BLOGS—–FIDING AN ADEQUATE CENTER ( WHICH IS ALL WE HAVE HAD THE POST LEBRON YEARS ) IF WE GET LEBRON WILL NOT BE A PROBLEM
How did Miami do with that? The Birdman? When LeBron was taking a lot less money?
Overall, I think the trade was a good one. A real shot at the best player, I’ll take it. Also helps change the mix of the team to a bit more veteran by moving out excess young players. Clearly the big problem is the lack of depth at center, but I think that can be dealt with in either case of LBJ deciding to come or not. If he comes, then we can sign someone at a discount for the chance to play on a winner. If he doesn’t then we have money available to bring in Pau or Monroe,… Read more »
I agree wholeheartedly.
Probasketballdraft tweeted LeBron informed Heat of intent to sign with Cleveland, then deleted said tweets. He tweeted that with slightly different wording twice.
Said fake accounts reporting. I did not see him retweet anything, it was his own account. I’ve been sitting on individual pages since.
Rizzo says he’s hearing good things.
Gilbert’s Plane is silent.
According to Marc Stein, Chandler Parsons has signed an offer sheet with the Mavs for 3 years, 45 mil
They should have just gone after Hayward. Like I said, you don’t cater to Lebron, the Miami Heat organization hasn’t. Here is the roster, take it or leave it. If he doesn’t commit, go after Hayward and tell the scumbag we will see you in the playoffs….
How are we catering? Just because we cleared cap space to sign the guy to a max deal (which is the only way he’ll sign with a team – even the Heat) does not mean we are “catering” to him. We got rid of a bad contract, a backup, and a guy who couldn’t see the floor on a team who had Alonzo Gee in front of him. Teams do that every year. We can use that cap space to offer LeBron and hope he signs, OR SIGN A LEGITIMATE STARTER LIKE GREG MONROE! This isn’t rocket science. I liked… Read more »
Dumping Jack was fine, they couldn’t have dumped 1.7 million (Zeller’s salary) from elsewhere? Zeller was traded because Boston wanted his ass. He is decent and a starter, not a backup. He was the CAVS starting center, unless you like Haywood, which is irrational.
Lebron ain’t coming back. Paying Greg Monroe ain’t happening unless they are dropping 20 million on him. The only big that deserves Gasol money is Gasol. I would rather overpay for a wing and kept Zeller for cheap. No real need for a 20 million big.
Parsons is off the market to the Mavs. Now what?? The CAVS are just screwing themselves. Ariza is the man, but we have no center as well.
I said all free agent period. Sign Ariza, really that is all we needed to make the playoffs, IMO. I admit, I was giddy about Lebron, but I don’t think he is coming back. It ain’t happening.
Trevor Ariza is your answer? Seriously?
We could not have just dumped $1.7M from “elsewhere.” Nobody wanted Jarrett Jack. NO team was going to just TAKE his contract from us. The only rumored trade was with Brooklyn and we’d have had to take Thornton’s contract back in return.
Jack at $6.3M a year was a bad deal for us. We have Irving, Waiters, Wiggins, and Delly? Where on earth would Jack play?
Your argument is completely flawed.
Here’s the current state of rumors. Cleveland re-signs LeBron and immediately pulls the trigger on a Wiggins-for-Love deal. This makes sense and would probably signal a lot of other guys being traded, too. Waiters, Bennett, Thompson, all to clear the cap space necessary to sign Love to an extension as well. Nonetheless, if LeBron signs, you trade Wiggins for Love. PG – Irving SG – Waiters SF – James PF – Love C – Varejao That team wins the East with ease. Winning it all in year 1 would be difficult because of cohesiveness, but the following year (and probably… Read more »
Varejao will be wearing a suit.
All playing 40 minutes a game.
Bennett, Thompson, Delly, Miller, Allen? All guys that can play.
The Heat won 2 title with nobody at center. Chris Anderson? You don’t think AV playing out of position at the 5 would be better than Chris freakin’ Anderson? Get real.
Only Cleveland fans would be weary at the thought of Irving-Waiters-James-Love.
James ain’t coming back.
I would take Birdman over Varejao’s 25 games.
The 2014-2015 CAVS:
Irving
Waiters
DLeaguer 3
Love on a one year rental
Haywood.
Yeah because if they fail to sign LeBron there’s no way they’d spend the $20 MILLION in cap space to bring in other players like Monroe or Chandler.
Hilarious.
Chandler Parsons*
Parson’s is a 2nd round draft pick who has peaked. Kind of like Jodie Meeks, a complete bum. Monroe is a RFA, how much are the CAVS going to overpay for that bum?
The point is your statements are just crybaby complaints. We have $21 million in cap space to sign guys. It doesn’t have to be LeBron or nothing.
It doesn’t matter what pick he was. It matters how good he is. He’s better than Jodie Meeks.
Yes, it does matter. Chandler Parsons is an overachieving bum who relies on fundamentals. He has peaked.
First of all, bums are people who underachieve, not overachieve. Calling someone a bum is also not a good argument. It’s name calling. Second, it doesn’t matter if he relies on fundamentals, athleticism, magic beans or whatever. What matters is how well he plays. When you evaluate a player, you should evaluate them on their production. He’s been in the NBA for a little while now. You can actually watch games he has played in the NBA, so why are you so fixated on where he was drafted? I realize that higher picks are usually better, but once you actually… Read more »
That would be giving up Wiggins, Bennett, Thompson, and Waiters for Love. Totally insane.
Waiters is still there.
This is a perfect example of how much we overrate our own guys. I propose a trade that is basically Wiggins the #1 overall pick, Bennett who, until proven otherwise, is the biggest bust in a long time, and Thompson, a 10/10 guy with very little offensive ceiling. For arguably a top 5 player in the NBA and the best PF in the game who is YOUNG.
The fact that some of you wouldn’t do that to move forward with a core of Irving, Waiters, James, and Love is beyond nonsensical.
James ain’t coming back. Love, Irving, and Waiters doesn’t sound bad as a core. But the CAVS would be trash next year and Love would not do a long term deal. So then what, the CAVS are screwed.
I will give you this Gordo, I would love to have Zeller and Parsons at this point. The CAVS could have had both.
Once again, Brando, you neglect to acknowledge that we have $21M in cap space. Your senseless arguments aren’t worth spending more time on.
Have fun pretending Tyler Zeller and Sergey Karasev are the difference.
Gotta back up Gordon on this one. That core would dominate the East next season, and potentially the next 5-6 years as well. Also, I don’t think the Cavs are looking to pull the trigger on Love before they have LeBron, although they might try to line up both deals and consummate at nearly the same time. I’m sure they’ve considered the risk of Love leaving next summer.
Just read Terry Pluto’s take on the trade and it makes more sense . . . except that Zeller only accounted for $1.7MM in cap space.
It makes me think they still have high expectations for Bennett. They could have cleared a lot more space by including Bennett in the deal.
Underdog – would make zero sense to move Bennett at this point. He still has more value than those other guys and Cleveland knows it.
It makes a little sense, the CAVS will have to go after a center and a SF. The CAVS are going to suck next year, no playoffs. I have moved on from NBA’s free agency. Lebron ain’t coming back.
Maybe Alonzo Gee will come back or some other D-Leaguer 3 and a 7 footer who shoots 38%.
Bennett’s ceiling is miles higher than Zeller’s. The problem is that Zeller is a not bad backup center, potentially a mediocre starter, but very low cost. Now the team has one but Andy, who is getting old, prone to getting hurt, and is more of a 4 than a 5. We all love Andy, but he can’t play too many minutes at this point.
The CAVS really screwed themselves today to kiss Lebron’s ass. It really is unbelievable. I thought Lebron would actually come back because he liked our squad. Lebron has no intention of coming back. I think he cares about Ohio and Cleveland, but in the end, he has to do what is best for himself. I wish the CAVS could have done the same.
You’re one of those crybaby Cleveland fans. All signs are pointing to LeBron coming back. Even if he doesn’t, at least we made a move to try to bring him back. You’re going to cry over Tyler Zeller and Sergey Karasev? Are you freakin’ serious? Get real and quit being a little girl.
Who do you project to start for the CAVS at center next year? Haywood?? LOL, Jesus, the CAVS suck. Maybe Cleveland should hire Mike Brown for the 3rd time, hahahaha…Jesus,…only a normal person would cry. Only the insane would say, great, this sounds awesome.
What argument do you have that we won’t have a center? Your tears? Is that an argument?
If LeBron doesn’t come back we also opened up cap space to go sign a guy like Greg Monroe.
Irving
Waiters
Wiggins
Thompson/AV
Monroe
That’s an upgraded roster and still money to sign another FA or two (maybe Parsons?).
But no, we should have kept Tyler Zeller and Sergey Karasev “just in case.” Get real.
The CAVS are not getting Monroe unless they pay him 20 million a year. Is he worth that? Maybe, but Wiggins is a two guard. That is where he is playing. They should have kept Zeller and went after Hayward. They will have a glaring hole at 3. Don’t need a dominant big making 20 million a year.
What if we resign Hawes, I’m pretty sure we have his bird rights still.
He already signed with the Clippers.
When I posted it I was thinking that if LBJ signed last night we could offer Hawes a bigger deal given that before it was just a verbal agreement between Hawes and the Clips.
I find it absolutely comical how many “fans” think that Zeller and Karasev would have become instant all-stars with a new head coach who hasn’t coached a single NBA game yet. Zeller has a ceiling of a backup caliber NBA center and Karasev has a ceiling of a D-League All-Star. Even if we don’t land Bron Bron we still can land a quality FA and still have room to spend for another. All it cost was these two clowns, a protected draft pick, and Jack. I’ll take that any day of the week.
Don’t twist things. Nobody said Zeller and Karasev were all stars. That statement alone should annul your comment right there. Don’t change what people say. It looks like Zeller was going to spend a good amount of time as our starting center. It is not easy to get a bonifide center in the NBA without PAYING through the nose. Jack’s production is probably worth 3.5MM to 4.0MM a year. We gave up Zeller, Karasev, & a #1 pick for somebody to pick up $1MM!!! By all accounts – that looks like a dysfunctional front office – not a genius front… Read more »
Maybe Gilbert can turn around and offer another team $1MM to recoup that pick.
It will COST more than $5MM to obtain a legitimate starting center. Not an all star . . . just one that will get us into the second round of playoffs.
You are completely twisting things now, Underdog. We did not give up Zeller and Karesev and a #1 for $1M. That’s just wrong and a complete twisting of the facts. We gave up a backup C, and a guy who might never be good enough to play in the NBA, and a future #1 pick from a team trying to make the playoffs, so that a team can take a bad $6.3M contract with 2 more years on it. That’s a great front office move when you consider that 1) LeBron James is considering a return to Cleveland but will… Read more »
Lebron ain’t coming back. Celtics fans are happy about Zeller. They think he is a starter because he had no coach in Cleveland. I agree.
Btw, Zeller was a starter here unless you like Haywood. Varejao will play roughly half a season if you look at the past 4 seasons (31/25/25/65 which equals 36.5 games per year).
The CAVS 2014/15 starting center is now Haywood.
Did we not learn the first time… catering your whole to this player is a bad idea.
No kidding, this team just got worse today. And they are about to get even worse. I cannot imagine what they are cooking up right now. The CAVS are behaving like a drug addicted feign; They are acting on pure impulse.
we all wanted to get rid of jack—-I think blatt evaiuated karasevs talent/ value ( and gave griffin the truth —harris will probably be better )—zeller will be an avg center—-we pick what year they take our # 1—-still haven’t given up any of their main core of players—-if we didn’t make any moves to appease LeBron to come back –all of you fans would be screaming
Not this fan, I liked and was excited about the CAVS this morning. Now, they have no option at center, none. At least Zeller had a few nice games last season under Mike Brown. I would have told Lebron, this is our team, take it or leave it.
(of course Jack, and him only, would have been gone to create space. But no need to rid of two other players. The Russian, I don’t mind, it’s Zeller that worries me. There are no other 7 footers we can get for this season.
“I would have told Lebron, this is our team, take it or leave it.”
Brandon, I’m sorry, but this is ridiculous. You do whatever it takes to get the best player in the world – telling him to “take it or leave it” is loony.
You should do a we’re are they now article, Sloan and Kevin Jones are killing it for Indiana in summer league.
I am believe making trades hoping Lebron comes back is loony. This is exactly why Lebron left in the first place. This organization is dysfunctional. Why can’t they make the trades after he signs? Getting rid of Jack is a given, but blowing up the roster for no real reason is just stupid, insane, or like hiring Mike Brown for the 3rd time. None of it makes sense and really screams that they have no plan.
The CAVS are scrambling, its obvious, he ain’t coming back. The organization is acting like crazy ex-girlfriend.
KLove has already said publicly he would do a long-term deal if Lebron comes to Cleveland. Why make a trade now?
Would RE-SIGN in Cleveland. He didn’t say “I would go there as a free agent.”
Alex Kirk would like a word with you.
My hope is that the deal is contingent upon Lebron signing with the Cavs. No trade is official until midnight.
“The trade can’t be officially consummated until Thursday, when a league-wide moratorium on signings and trades is lifted at 12:01 a.m.”
Why do so many people say it’s a shame to see Zeller, Karasev and Jack go? We all complained about those same guys, or the lack of quality minutes all last season… FOR THE VERY GOOD CHANCE TO GET THE BEST (i.e. MOST TALENTED) PLAYER OF OUR GENERATION. Seriously? I also hated when Damon Jones, Chris Mihm and Ramon Sessions were all traded… Sheesh! Have all you guys been drinking too much Great Lakes Brewing Christmas Ale? You all realize how idiodic you sound when you are upset you lose these guys and then we sign LeBron with their salary… Read more »
It’s not about the “backup”, best, most reliable center who runs the floor well; who should improve with our great head coaching hire, it is about the scrambling and willingness to blow everything up for a chance at Lebron (not for Lebron). It’s insane.
I felt the CAVS had a decent roster, now they look like trash without a basketball center. Zeller can run, Haywood can’t walk, and Varejao will be wearing a suit.
Look how Riley “blew up” his roster in 2010. Especially with all the signs pointing to Cleveland… We were all ignoring the same signs that pointed to Miami last year.
The CAVS have nothing in the post, Zeller was the only true 7 footer who can run up and down the floor. If Blatt was such a great hire, than I am sure Zeller would have improved. Now, we are looking at Byron Mullens in free agency who is pure trash relative to Zeller, IMO.
Lebron ain’t coming back. Get over it.
Maybe you’ll wake up tomorrow morning and have a “feeling” that Lebron is comingback? Then, all will be well.
LOL…exactly. I don’t think he comes back if they offload Wiggins. The worst possible scenarios are happening for a chance at Lebron, not actually for Lebron.
The CAVS are blowing things up.
The CAVS need to tell Lebron, “Hey, this is the roster, this is our team, take it or leave it”…..Now it’s a bit late for that, but that is why the CAVS organization is dysfunctional. Why are they dealing Zeller when he is the possible starting center? Varejao certainly isn’t reliable to start, Haywood?? Zeller was probably the best/reliable one on the current roster. This behavior is exactly why the CAVS will never contend. If the CAVS trade Wiggins for KLove, what will the roster look like? It doesn’t work. What does the second unit look like? This morning the… Read more »
No. They should not do that. That would result in LeBron saying to eph off. They should be trying to get him not piss him off.
The CAVS look like a dysfunctional franchise and had all these conditions with Lebron back then. That stuff doesn’t happen in Miami. That is also the reason Lebron left in the first place. He needed direction, not someone kissing his ass at every turn.
This trade screams, just come back Lebron, we will figure everything else out later.
“They should be trying not to piss him off.”
Were you actually ALIVE in 2010???? How did that strategy work out then?
I can’t believe Cavs fans are getting upset over the likes of a backup center and a guy who didn’t play last years. Yeesh
It’s not about the “backup”, best, most reliable center who runs the floor well; who should improve with our great head coaching hire, it is about the scrambling and willingness to blow everything up for a chance at Lebron (not for Lebron). It’s insane.
Getting rid of guys who are not that good for a chance at LeBron is totally worth it. We always find another backup center or a backup PG like Jack. We can always find more people to sit on the bench like Karasev.
Who is starting at center for Cleveland in front of Zeller? Varejao ain’t playing 82 games, so Zeller is indeed a starter.
Zeller couldn’t get minutes last year and was stuck behind Andy AND Spencer flippin’ Hawes last year. Just stop. It’s really going to be OK – we can replace Zeller easily.
Because we root for our players. We wanted to see Zeller succeed. Now if he does turn into a good player he’s gonna be Danny Green all over again.
The Jack trade just seemed like a desperate move. We gave up a lot and got nothing. Couldn’t we have given up half as much and still gotten nothing? I mean, having to throw in a #1 to get nothing smacks of desperation. Jack’s contract was only $5MM. Do you have to give up a #1 to get someone to take $5MM. We paid $20MM to get a #1 (Baron Davis) and nothing else. Rookie contracts (Zeller & Karasev) are generally considered bargains and highly desirable. I sure hope that Griffin already has assurances in place for the next few… Read more »
Agreed!!! Lebron ain’t coming back and the CAVS will look like idiots and a dysfunctional franchise once again. They are making the same mistakes they did when Lebron was here. Varejao and Haywood are your starting 5’s???? Jesus, why couldn’t they just offload Jack and tell Lebron that this is it, take or leave it. What 7 footer, with an elbow jumper, are they going to find in free agency?
My point has nothing to do with “is it worth doing this to get Lebron.” Of course it is. Duh!
My point is, did we have to give up a #1, Zeller, Karasev, and Jack to get somebody to take a stinkin’ $5MM contract? The euphoric expectation of LeBron coming to the Cavs clouds the SHEER IDIOCY of this trade. If you want to move Zeller’s salary – trade him in a separate deal for a #2 or something.
Trading away Tyler Zeller, Karasev and Jack could never be sheer idiocy. Those guys are parts that are able to be replaced.
Not this season, it looks like the CAVS will struggle to win 30 games again this season with TT playing center.
Brandon, you can’t possibly be serious with all of these posts. You are actually doing the “sky is falling routine” because we traded our third string center from last year??? You do realize that free agency is still happening, right? And that we can trade for a center – league rules do allow that.
#overreaction
Jack’s contract is 6.3M, not 5M. And yes, we did need to do that. Also, who cares about a first rounder? If your team is weary of trading away a first rounder, then your team sucks. If that’s our attitude, just move the team to Vegas.
amico saying THEY DO NOT WANT TO TRADE WIGGINS ——THE ONLY WAY THEY TRADE HIM IS IF THEY GET LOVE TO SIGN A LONG TERM CONTRACT AND LEBRON IS FOR SURE HE IS COMING BACK—–HOPEFULLY HE IS CORRECT—–WOULD HATE TO SEE US TRADE HIM ( WIGGINS ) AND HAVE EVERYTHING BLOW UP IN OUR FACE—-as far as the zeller/ karasev trade a lot of that was griffin unloading grants drafts and starting anew —possibly had blatts opinion on both also
As long as they leave Delly and Dion alone I don’t care what they do.
Didn’t want Zeller to go. I think we’ll have 3 signings:LeBron, Ray Allen, and a Center, either named Chris Andersen, Byron Mullens, Cole Aldrich or Kevin Seraphin. Not counting Joe Harris or Dwight Powell in this because I think they will be signed but not utilized. They might even play for the Charge all season.
Kyrie-Delly
Waiters-Allen- Harris
Wiggins- Bennett/LeBron
LeBron-Tristan/Bennett-Powell
Andy- Tristan-FA Center
Anyone know if we could offer Tristan a 4 year extension today worth between 28 and 36 million? That’s what I think he’s worth.
Realistically does that team win ECF? Not sure… definitely not the Finals. I think the Bulls, Pacers, and even Heat (w/ Bosh still) will beat these Cavs in year 1.
Delly as the backup PG? Especially when Kyrie gets hurt? Needs an upgrade.
Waiters as starting 2? I’d like to see him as 6th man.
Wiggins as a starting rookie SF? Lots of mistakes and growing pains. Not championship quality yet.
Lebron… well this one makes sense.
Andy as starting C could work but we need to seriously limit his minutes, so the FA center will have to be quality.
I’d bet that Wiggins plays the 2 and LeBron gets the 3 spot, leaving Dion to run the bench unit. Byron Mullens or some other three point chucking center would be okay, since Thompson can’t shoot for crap yet. By the way, look at his shot chart, http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=201957&display-mode=distribution&zone-mode=basic
Dude, the CAVS are scrambling and making irrational decisions. Offloading a true 7 footer with starting potential is just stupid.
Thank God this trade won’t be official tomorrow. Who will start for the CAVS? Haywood?? Jesus, Varejao is not an NBA starter.
That team ain’t winning squat.
Delly is a solid back up PG who pushes the ball and has good vision and a decent shot and plays REALLY good defense. Can’t be any worse than freaking Norris Cole.
Can we relax for a second? This is a cavs team that won how many games last season? We had way too many underachieving young players. Cavs fans are the only ones who saw any greatness in karasev or zeller, in reality those guys were picks that hadn’t panned out necessarily. The only untouchables on this roster are Irving and wiggins, unless they’re traded for all-stars. Our real promising talent is dion, who we kept. Thank god jack is gone, I’m convinced he hurt us more than helped (when factoring in attitude and effort). We could have kept everyone, and… Read more »
AMEN! This times twenty. Guys like Zeller are a dime a dozen. We all tend to overrate our guys.
For the anti-Love contingent, you’re really going to turn down a SURE FIRE all-star who averaged 12 rebounds and 20+ points?!?!? For the prospect of someone who COULD be great? C’mon!
KLove is not a winner. I don’t care he plays in the West. Lebron ain’t coming back. I felt he was yesterday, but this morning I feel he is not. Since he is not coming back, what does this trade do for the CAVS? Nothing.
“KLove is not a winner.”
Such a tried argument. Neither was Michael Jordan until he got through the Bad Boys. Neither was LeBron James until he went to Miami. Neither was Kevin Garnett until he went to Boston. Neither was Shaq until he went to LA. Kevin Love does MANY things on the basketball court that help a team WIN.
Such a flimsy argument.
*tired argument
Except K Love hasn’t played a single minute in the playoffs… A similar reason as to why many ppl on this very blog blasted the idea that the Cavs should give Kyrie the max contract he just received. Maybe it would be more appropriate to replace “not a winner” with “hasn’t experienced winning yet”.
Guys like Zeller are NOT a dime a dozen. Every single team in the NBA would love to have Zeller on the bench. Also, big men are usually slow to develop, and Zeller improved greatly last year. There is a good chance he will be starting this coming year or soon. Most talk on this trade is that Boston wants him to package in a trade for Love.
Guys like Zeller are absolutely a dime a dozen. 15.4 PER last year. League average PER is 15. He’s a slightly above average NBA player. We can replace that on the cheap any year in free agency. He did improve considerably last year, but let’s not get carried away.
I think you are missing the point that one can expect Zeller to continue improvement. Using a single stat from LAST year does not prove anything about the young player’s outlook. Besides, its not exactly like any team can just snap their fingers and instantly have a legit 7-footer who can pass, move without the ball and score from 15+ feet. Tyler Zeller brings much more to the basketball court than 15.4.
I guess I’ll clarify that I do not think Zeller is the second coming of Kareem or anything like that but it would ultimately cost the Cavs more to replace Zeller one day via FA than it would have been to keep him on his rookie contract. Of course LeBron is the reason for that move, which negates the loss, but there will come the time we are back in the market for a C and must overpay one to come in from outside the organization
Guys like Zeller are not a dime a dozen. His ceiling is Tiago Splitter, realistically he’s Kosta Koufas…so I’m not arguing that losing him is the death of the franchise or anything. However, 7’0″ tall human beings that move like he does and possess the BBIQ and skill set that he does are not a dime a dozen. If they were we would have had no reason to roster ‘projects’ like Ryan Hollins or Semih Erden. Competent back up bigs are just as hard to come by as competent starting bigs are. Especially on his contract. I get why the… Read more »
No one is saying you can’t be disappointed. We are just as entitled to our opinion as you are to yours though. Our opinion is that Tyler Zeller is a run of the mill NBA big.
Trading Wiggins for Love is insane. Wiggins might be better than Love this year, and is very likely to be in a couple years. If Love wants to join up next summer, we can figure out how to make that work.
Kevin Love is pretty damn good. Unless you’re implying he could be injured the entire season I say there is less than a 1% chance Wiggins is better than Love in the next 2 seasons. He may NEVER be better than Kevin Love.
BOOM. SHOT DOWN. (appropriately so)
I think your estimates are way off. It is obviously hard to quantify that. I do recall that Love was about a #7 or so pick in a so-so draft, not particularly athletic, who has greatly outplayed his expected ceiling, and gets hurt fairly often. But, even if your estimate is good, have you considered the salary cap aspect? Obviously not. The way the salary structure is set up, players make a lot less in their first few years. Suppose they trade Wiggins for Love. If he does not resign, the Cavs are totally screwed. If he does, then the… Read more »
Raoul you are freaking stupid if you think a guy that averages 28 and 14 is gonna be beaten out by a rookie that can’t even dribble. Shut up and go comment on ESPN dingbat.
Wow, act like a dick much, jhill!?
Sorry, I’m a regular here this dude is getting annoying.
Love won’t average 24 and 14 on a team with LeBron, Andy, Kyrie, and Tristan. Wiggins’ defensive length could have a bigger impact on W’s and L’s right off the bat than Loves ability to stretch the defense.
My thing is…why do it? If Love wants to play with Lebron, he needs to do what Melo did, and let the franchise know he will only re-up with one team. Gives us waaay more leverage. Hopefully, Bron and Love will get together and save the Cavs from themselves by dumping a kid with this much potential.
I’m with you on this, Raoul. K Love is fantastic but he’s also been highly overrated IMO because of the #’s he puts up on a bad team. Sure, he’d look great in a Cavs jersey next year with LeBron, but I agree with your concerns over the long term. What do we do when faced with a similar problem as the Heat if our salary is all tied up in three players, especially two of whom are thus far unproven winners? Who’s gonna help 30-year-old LeBron defend the wings (certainly not Kyrie)? If LeBron joins the Cavs now without… Read more »
Kevin Love is the best current player at his position and he’s young, entering his prime. Wiggins is nowhere near the best player at his position. Maybe if he hits his absolute ceiling in 6-7 years he will then be the best at position.
Love is a three point threat every possession, Wiggins is not. Love can play the 4 or 5, Wiggins cannot. Love is the best rebounder in the NBA period, Wiggins never will be. Love is a perennial 23 and 12 guy on any team he plays on because he moves well without the ball and rebounds (attacks) the offensive glass, Wiggins does not. All that Wiggins will be for the next couple years is a defensive specialist and athletic freak (which I am very excited for on this roster). How do you justify Wiggins being better than Love in any… Read more »
Not at all happy about giving up Zeller and Karasev, both of whom would have thrived under Blatt, as both move without the ball.
Also not thrilled to hear about Wiggins being offered for Love; I’d rather give up Dion. Wiggins would fit better with Lebron & Kyrie.
If the Cavs miss out on Lebron….they completely screwed themselves. AGAIN. Not only missing out on free agents, but also dumped some of their promising young core in anticipation of someone who never came.
Ok let’s notget carried away here. Tyler Zeller is a solid players but to say we “completely screwed ourselves” because we traded a back C and a SF who couldn’t crack a rotation on a lottery team that HAD NO NBA-LEVEL SF is a little ridiculous.
A 19 year old kid from russia who hardly speaks english yet is kind of inherently lacking NBA-level SF talent, IMO.
Judging the talents of Zeller and Karasev under the ineptitude of Mike Brown is a fool’s errand. Both should have gotten a lot more minutes than they did. It will be painful to watch them develop on other teams.
This Lebron thing is screwing up the roster. They should have offloaded Jack only and told Lebron, ” Hey, this is the roster, take it or leave it”. Making these moves is a ridiculous thing to do and is catering to LBJ. There should be no conditions to LBJ coming except for Gilbert’s apology.
LIKE
Here, here.
Teams don’t just take your bad contracts for nothing. Zeller and Karasev were part of the cost to do business.
I agree with this for the most part. Zeller, as an individual piece, is nothing to lose sleep over trading, but more importantly I think his loss stretches Cavs center position preeeeetty thin… and that is on a roster with an injury-prone C in Varejao, bless his heart.. Maybe some size can be found in the FA market and obv netting LeBron is the true prize, but still always a concern to have a roster lacking in height/length
If Wiggins is involved with any potential Kevin Love trade, I want Gorgui Dieng included. We desperately need a cheap rim protector, and Dieng played very well down the stretch. Considering everyone knows that Love won’t resign with the Wolves after this season, I don’t think it is wise to give up too many assets unless the return potentially brings a championship. Alas, the cart is still ahead of the horse. Patience all.
THIS. Dieng looks like a great fit as nominal center who fits with the starters and allows Andy to stay healthy and bring stellar production in key moments. The Wolves may not want to be in the business of giving up cheap young assets while trading away their superstar, but at the same time they’re not gonna get a better offer than Team Canada (plus picks) for Love and Dieng. Also Dieng is old for a soph at 24 and the Wolves retain a standout center in Pekovic.
What do you mean what do we get in return? We got Ilkan Karaman, Christian Drejer, and Edin Bavčić!!!
Looking at the Cavs pursuit of Allen/Miller/Jones as proof that Cavs are scrambling and not feeling confident about Lebron’s intent.
This is shaping up to be a dissapointing day.
Unless Lebron tells us he’s 100% returning on the condition that we trade for Kevin Love, I’m keeping Wiggins.
The way I see it, if Allen/Miller/Jones are even on the Cavs’ radar at this point, it’s a sign that the team knows they have LeBron. Those guys are secondary pieces that only make sense with LeBron on the team and none of them are influential enough at this point to affect his decision. If they’re changing teams it’s to follow LBJ and the Cavs know that.
Wondering how the team defense would work with love? Kyrie isn’t great at point and Dion is only slight better. If lbj came he could pretty much guard anyone is nice, but love is pretty horrid and andy is probably only good for 40 or so games.
would hate to see the wiggins deal—as amico was totally impressed with what he saw in las vegas—-but love is an all star and said he would sign a long term if LeBron is here —trade the future for the present ( and sure thing )
Great news and sad to see TZ and Sergey go. LBJ will bring a lot of excitement and joy to all Cavs fans all over the world.eat your heart Frank Sanches and Kodo you too.
Apparently the Cavs are also pursuing Mike Miller.
And in another unsettling trend, I see Rizzo is reporting the cavs have offered Wiggins as part of a package for Love. That would be frustrating.
I’m not crazy about unloading our pick, but given protections, it makes sense. I think Zeller will be a solid big off of the bench. Not sure about Karasev, but Blatt has seen him play and must have had some input on things.
Meanwhile, I’m not at all in favor of trading Wiggins in a package for Love. It’s too risky and Wiggins may be a better fit as a two-way player. If Cavs have Kyrie and LBJ they will be fine at the offensive end.
Oh, and unless I see a tweet from Woj or hear it from Lebron himself stating that he’s coming back, I don’t believe any of the rumors. I still think Lebron’s return this year is unlikely.
All the recent chatter tempering Cavs fans expectations tells me that the Cavs have no assurances that Lebron will return.
Sad to see Karasev go as I was hoping he would become like manu off the bench for us. Zeller was playing very well by the end of the season so this is a bummer. Ray Allen wouldn’t be bad if he comes pretty cheap and can give solid 3 point shooting off the bench.
Not psyched to see Zeller go either, but at the end of the day it’s insignificant if LeBron signs.
Anyone else NOT want Ray Allen on this team? I really hope that doesn’t happen. Who does he take minutes from? Wiggins? Waiters? No thanks. He’s old.
Who wants an unprotected pick the next 4 years with the Cavs? I would guess protection was requested by the trade partner to make it work, thinking LeBron will have to sign again before the ’19 draft comes along…
BASKETBALLINSIDER JUST REPORTED CAVS ARE TRYING TO SIGN RAY ALLEN—–MORE ATTEMPT TO BRING LEBRON BACK ?
Sounds as good as could be reasonably hoped for. Hard to see how Karasev gets much playing time with Wiggins, Joe Harris and Carrick Felix all in the mix. Losing Zeller certainly is a bummer, though. What are we actually getting in return? (besides cap space)
Keeping Dion and Delly is great.
Certainly sets the stage for LBJ with plan B (step 2?) of bringing in Pau Gasol or Bosh.
I would have thought they’d shoot for the stars and unprotect the pick the next couple of years. In 2019 they could be a lottery team. They aren’t expecting that the next 2-3 years.
yay!!! Get rid of crappy players like Jack, Zeller, and Karasev. Sign us some real talent.
I agree who is our big man —-is it the post they picked up in the trade that brought powell here / is BIRD MAN coming with LeBron ? ODEN ? ANDREW BYNUM —thrown in there for laughs—-believe zeller will be a good post player in the league—-never got enough chance to see karasev play ( thank you mike brown )— zeller and karasev were what 16th and 19th picks—did we waste those draft spots ?—-JACK NOT COMING BACK IS A PLUS —-THE NBA SOAP OPERA CONTINUES —–THE NBA IS EATING THIS UP —GETTING ALL THIS COVERAGE
What is the percentage chance we’re getting LeBron? The team has to know something to dump this many players. This trade worked out really well. We haven’t lost anyone too present on the team now. Hopefully Brendan Haywood can play some decent minutes for us.
I’m up to 70% chance that we land LeBron now that this deal has gone down. No way we do this deal unless we were confident of our chances to get LBJ.
If this lands LeBron for the Cavs, then it’s awesome. Although, it’s a bummer about Zeller. I thought he was turning into a solid player. But you can’t hold up getting LeBron for him. This leaves Andy as the only C on the roster. That’s concerning. Leaving health aside, he’s best suited as a PF. AFAIK, the Cavs still have the MLE. Maybe they could target the Birdman with that.
We still have Brendan Haywood for a year.
Or at least his reanimated corpse. I don’t have a lot of hope.
The Haywood contract is an assets. It’s non-guaranteed next year for $10 million. They can trade it next season to a team looking to shed cap space.
As a team entering free agency under the cap, we don’t have the MLE
I believe in that case they would have the non-taxpayer mid-level exception. It’s available to teams below the apron, but it can’t be used if it puts a team above the apron.
Cavs will be receiving Lionel Hollins in one year, after he goes bananas and wants complete control of the team, according to a source with no knowledge of the situation.
Woj just reported the pick is Top-10 protected in ’16, ’17, and ’18, unprotected in ’19.
It’s the Cavs pick.
So if the Cavs DO land LeBron – it will be a high pick and most likely conveyed in 2016. The Cavs still have three 1st round picks next season.
That is a bad trade. This morning, I felt he ain’t coming back. The CAVS now have no center except for Haywood. Varejao is not reliable to play 82 games.
The good thing is that most teams don’t really have effecive C’s anymore, so Andy/TT/Haywood could be affective against most. The Bad thinng is to make a strong playoff run, we’ll run into good Cs and that’s part of what I’m sure LeBron is concerned with. The one thing that may mitigate some of this is IF we land Love (which aparently we have an offer for). And secondly, Oden is still out there and although he was a shell of himself, he still aparently is committed to making a comeback and his size can’t be replicated. So another several… Read more »
Just too much, I wanted to keep Zeller. He was really starting to show some skills and I thought would be a good part in the K Love deal we know is pending. But If it brings James, great!!! But TT would have been a better dump.
(LOL!!! TT, Dump)
Too much? We gave up a back-up center a prospect that may or may not pan out, and a protected 1st round pick. In exchange, we clear enough cap room to potentially sign the best basketball player in the world. How is that giving up “too much?”
Who is starting at the 5 if Lebron comes back? Varejao will get hurt. Looks like Haywood will be starting. That is a bad trade. Besides, yesterday, I thought Lebron was coming back, but now I feel the same way I did the morning of the Decision. I don’t think he comes back.
Not a fan of getting rid of Karasev or Zeller (I still think they could grow and get a lot better, especially under the new coach) but if it means getting Bron back I think it’s a good move. We still keep Waiters so thats a plus.
We still need a big man though. Andy, AB, and TT can’t handle two positions themselves.
I agree that trading Karasev is only worth it IF we get LeBron. Otherewise I’d rather ride his upside potential and youth. I don’t mnd trading Zeller, he will improve marginally, but like his older brother, I don’t think he’ll ever be anything more than a decent backup. His younger brother – may be the best of the three.