Cavs nab Tyronn Lue too!
2014-06-23
Wow – things certainly change quickly in the NBA.
Not even a week ago I listened to a podcast where Brian Windhorst explained to Tony Rizzo that the Cavs reputation “is mud” and that Gilbert is trying to “buy credibility”.
And now the Cavs have hired David Blatt – and the search continues for a single human being that will say even one remotely not-positive thing about him. During the coaching search the Cavs were said to be very fond of Tyronn Lue, assistant under Doc Rivers in Boston and LAC. Well, after Blatt was hired I think we all assumed it ruled out guys like Lue – after all why would they want to leave one assistant job for another?
Well, Lue just left LaLa land – and is taking the position of “Associate Head Coach” in Cleveland. Seems to mean he’s the top assistant working alongside Blatt. He has apparently been in talks with David Blatt for some time, per Woj.
Cleveland – a DESTINATION FRANCHISE.
Well, Dan Gilbert isn’t afraid to shell out money. 4 years/6.5 million dollars. Does the money make cleveland a destination franchise?
Now Channing frye is a FA and is rumored to be a target for the Cavs. If we sign him, does that make TT completely expendable and put him in a ‘trade now’ situation?
I think Bennett already makes TT expendable. We don’t need a hustle guy as a starting PF. Especially one who is just trying to learn how to shoot for the first time in his life.
J Hill says: “we have a .001% chance of getting LBJ back”. I would call that a low estimate. I would call 50.001% a high estimate.
This sure is fun!
Burkes numbers almost mirror Waiters, what a bench we would have.
Thats a home-freaking-run. If you renounce Deng, opt out of andy’s 10 mil, and dump JJ’s deal? Two max FA’s ahoy!!! Gives us TONS of flexibility for future deals (Love, Aldridge), and we still get a decent player, hopefully Embiid.
NO. BRAINER.
Except the Cavs should #neverTradeAndy
Also never opt out of Andy. 10 mil a steal for his production.
I love Andy, but his salary per game played is horrendous. :(
Andy should absolutely be traded if possible. $10M for 40-50 games of average defense but great hustle? No. We should be able to find that for way less.
uh what? he was 51st in the NBA in SWAgR last season (almost double the Cavs next highest – Waiters).
He more than earned his contract last season.
If Utah is seriously going to send Favors, Burks, #5, and #23 for #1 and Jarrett Jack….
That’s a pretty nuts offer – I don’t know that the Cavs need even MORE players, but that’s the kinda deal that allows you to make a move for a Kevin Love-type player.
And I’ve got Jazz fans convincing me that offer is CRAZY and praying the Jazz aren’t really offering that and if they are that the Cavs will not take it….
thoughts?
From a pure basketbll perspective, it is borderline crazy. However, don’t overlook the marketing aspect for Utah. Bringing in a potential LDS superstar to Salt Lake City would be huge for ownership. I have a bunch of LDS friends that stilltalk about Jimmer never getting a fair shot. The whole state of Utah would go nuts if he turns into a superstar and leads them to the playoffs. I could see this being bigger than Lebron in Cleveland. That said, I still don’t know if I do the deal if I’m the Cavs. I’m weary of the Cavs turning assets… Read more »
Am I the only one who don’t like this trade that much? I wouldn’t do it.
In defense of Love, the guy is an all-NBA player right now, probably the NBA’s best power forward, and only 25. He’s about as close in age to Kyrie Irving as Wiggins or Parker. With his outside shooting and passing ability at the 4 spot, our team offense would have the potential to reach 2014 Spurs-level. Since the Cavs can put together by far the best trade offer for Minnesota, they shouldn’t have a problem getting a little more in return such as the 13th pick, or even a promising rim-protector in Gorgui Dieng.
He won’t sign. He said it himself. Forget him…geez
Signing Lue is a shocker. When they signed Blatt, I said they need to have a strong guy on the bench who can relate to the players to get them to buy-in to Mr. Euro. From everything I’ve read about Lue….it’s hard to imagine they could have done better.
Outstanding move.
I say either pick Wiggins or trade for Love and pull out all the stops to bring back LeBron. Favors would be a nice pickup, but that 5th pick doesn’t really fit our needs. The top players available at 5 will likely be point guards (Smart, Exum) and power forwards (Vonleh, Randle, Gordon). Nothing to address our giant hole at SF, and our need for size, defense, and shooting on the perimeter. Wiggins fits that perfectly. The question is, do we want to roll the dice on the chance to build a championship contender next season, or do we want… Read more »
But wait how can you select Wiggins?!?!? KJ has already determined he’s the next Derrick Williams.
Isn’t that comp more to Parker than Wiggins?
He’s far more likely to be. Obviously you have evidence to counter that assertion?
Let me throw this out there since so many people want Wiggins because “Chad Ford!” or something… Every known predictive analytic system that predicts success for draft eligible players in the NBA has beaten the GM’s in every single draft of like the past 6 years. Do you understand that means the NUMBERS predict better than the “eye” and/or “experience?” That is a FACT. A fact is indisputable. You may choose to ignore facts (hello, Cols!) but you cannot deny their existence. So when I throw out alllllllll the evidence about how Wiggins has about a10% of being a Paul… Read more »
It was a fact that the sun revolved around the moon. It was a fact that the earth was flat It was a fact that smoking was bad for you. It was a fact that the size of the universe is constant and doesn’t change A lot of things are facts until they are proven wrong. Its always Sunny in Philly taught me that. I’m glad this draft is almost over so you can stop banging on people for not accepting your ‘facts’. Every post I see from you has no facts in it but is banging on someone for… Read more »
When did smoking get good for you?
Oh F! Freaking typo hahah. My trolling effort was supposed to say wasn’t bad for you. Well isn’t my e-face red! Good catch.
There’s probably a smoking weed used to be considered bad comment in there but this ain’t that serious.
Interesting point. After so many years of seeing college stars not be able to cope with the NBA I’ve come around to trusting my eyes more. If nothing else, its fun to pretend I can see something. I’d love to see your references to sources for numbers that beat NBA GMs.
I have no problem with the Cavs taking Jabari (or whomever) as long as they think he’s the best 5-year investment.
Wiggins has a 0% of turning into Paul George because they are two separate people. Wiggins if he’s capable of learning and is well coached is the best option that also keeps us from looking stupid. The numbers also say that Jusuf Nurkic is the 5th best prospect available. I don’t see you clamoring to trade down to get him at 5. So just calm down. Also the VJL draft Model actually has Wiggins as at 7% more likely to be a star player than Paul George was coming out. (26% to 19%). Which means that Wiggins won’t be Paul… Read more »
Kj
None of those predictive analytics are 100% accurate. Stats don’t and can’t tell the whole story and numbers divorced from a context are especially misleading. Wiggins is on the “over-rated by scouts, un-rated by stats” list right next to Derrick Rose, Victor Oladipo, LeMarcus Aldridge, and John Wall. Stats sometimes get it wrong, especially with hyper-athletes…
http://www.brewhoop.com/2014/6/19/5819706/nba-draft-2014-andrew-wiggins-jabari-parker-safe-pick
None of you people can read. The fact is that the stats outperform the human GM’s every time. This, however, seems beyond the grasp of most of you here. No one ever said “100% of the time.” Clearly cherry-picking a few players to “prove” analytics are bad is so much more convincing. Bravo.
Oh, btw, I remember how many of you were advocating for MKG all during that year’s draft season. Yeah, your eyes are great at scouting! Smh…
Insulting everyone that doesn’t agree with you doesn’t make your argument any stronger. I never said that analytics are bad. I stated that stats only tell part of the story. That’s why every year the analytics get some things wrong. You cherry picked several names that had some CLEAR red flags (MKG- horribly broken shot, Derrick Williams- tweener, Beasley- can’t stop smoking weed, etc.). And I didn’t cherrypick random names- most of the players I named are similar to Wiggins in that they are good athletes that stats may not have told the whole story. Players like Wiggins who are… Read more »
for the record- this is pedro281…when I use one browser it automatically populates my name as one and in the other browser it populates as the other.
again this BS??? Give it up dude, it’s not funny anymore
parker wants to be a buck—-good luck—–WIGGINS IS THE FRIGGIN PICK !!!—–
The trade being currently mentioned of Favors, Burks, the #5 pick and the 23rd pick for #1 and Jack is basically a no-brainer for the Cavs ESPECIALLY if that #5 pick is Embiid. That 23rd pick could really be a keeper in this draft…
I’ll believe it when I see it. Way too good to be true. (although that puts us at like 18 deep and I have no idea what the point is)
Look, it’s being reported as that combo. I didn’t make it up.
I think that would be a no brainer, the fact that we would be ’18’ deep just means we have the assets to trade for an star, if not all star caliber player.
@Kj – I didn’t doubt that you had read it somewhere. I doubt Utah would be that stupid.
Which trade down do you like better C:tBers?
With PHI for the 3 and Thad Young
With ORL for the 4 and Arron Affalo
With UTAH for the 5 and Derrick Favors
Of course other assets can be added.
none. I draft Wiggins, sign LeBron be stacked as balls and let Wiggins and Wait,Rie learn from the best in the game.
Ok, so signing Bron may be unlikely unless Instagram is out there breaking news, but drafting Wiggins is the way to go.
Loved this video blog post from David Thorpe:
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11124514
David Griffin — please watch this over and over until you are nodding your head in agreement. For god’s sake DRAFT THE BEST PLAYER!
I don’t understand how the “misdirection to parker” could possibly work for them. If Philly wants Wiggins, why would they trade if they think the Cavs are going to take Parker, anyways? I don’t see how a trade for 3/10 helps unless they can then move both of those for a star like Love.
like the aggressive behavior of griffin/ cavs to ” DO THE RIGHT THING “—-now continue and make the right draft pick —WIGGINS— and possibly surprise/ shock us by obtaining EMBIID by a trade —–I really think this coaching staff will know how to utilize wiggins athleticism to be an immediate impact while they coach him and allow him to grow/ aquire his basketball skills—best and safest pick for the cavs
Lue won’t be a long time assistant for us, but if he can help Kyrie and Dion figure out how to play together, I’ll be fine with him leaving for a HC gig next offseason.
Nice move Griffin.
Now draft Wiggins.
This is kinda cool. I was not fond of either as head coach, but what’s cool is we got them both. If we can still land mark price as an assitant coach, that would be incredible.
This is practically my dream situation, though I’d really want a good defensive coach on our roster as well.
Draft Wiggins (who should fit into Blatt’s offensive system really well) and we should be OK.
“Associate Head Coach” doesn’t this kind of sound like we are reacquiring a bunch of Chefs and not enough sou chefs?
In this case, not necessarily. Blatt knows a great deal about X’s and O’s, but Lue could be his head NBA liaison (to let him know things that might have worked in Europe won’t necessarily work in the NBA.)
Besides, I think that’s essentially the title of the #2 coach in a lot of teams coaching staffs.
Ben F – where you been?
Griffin is looking better and better. Really like how this has played out. Hopefully we’ll take the next step with a solid draft.
Wow, Mr. Griffin! What’s next?
Is it just me, or is anyone else REAAALLY sick of hearing what airbag Windhorst has to say about the Cavs
Agree with EvilGenius.
yes very sick of him
Hey he’s got his finger squarely on the pulse of the Cavs – reputation is just what people think of you – not necessarily what you are. Windy was always the one that said “things can change extraordinarily quickly in the NBA”. That should happen in this case.
We needed something like this.
Hear, hear! Don’t believe the hype about league rep of Gilbert. All that comes from the NBA media and not the good ones either!