TRADE ALERT

Nothing is imminent yet, It has been done! the Cavs have traded Leuer for Marreese Speights and Josh Selby.  Picks may or may not be involved.

Someone talk Kevin down from the ledge.

UPDATE: Looks like the Cavs got Speights, Selby, Wayne Ellington AND a future top-5 protected first rounder for Leuer.

SECOND UPDATE: As Pete was kind enough to point out, Jones has been sent to the D-League – NIX THAT!  Looks like Jones is coming back.

THIRD UPDATE: Looks like Pargo has been waived.  Looking at a very different roster after today.

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Kyle
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Kyle
2013-01-23 6:35 pm EDT

KyrieSwIrving, not sure why I’m getting attacked about that, but if you reread the comments you will clearly see comments regarding this years draft picks, in which the Lakers pick would be relevant. Thanks.

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alex
2013-01-22 4:12 pm EDT

kyle: scott would get under his skin and make him flourish as a player, but once it hits the fan, we all know who goes first, the coach. and to be honest i rather keep scott over cousins. i like him alot.

Cory Hughey
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Cory Hughey
2013-01-22 3:59 pm EDT

Shelby probably knows Irving and Dion from the AAU circuit when they were all high national HS prospects in the Maryland/NJ area. Perhaps seeing the attention Kyrie gets will motivate him to get shit together. He has talent. Shelby was actually the top HS prospect in the country in 2010 ahead of Kyrie and Barnes.

Cory Hughey
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Cory Hughey
2013-01-22 2:54 pm EDT

I agree that I’d make a run for Boogie or Love with the extra picks. I don’t see either guy being traded this year, but next season becomes a real possibility for them to be moved. If the Kings do move to Seattle they will get the relocation pardon for sucking. The fans and media will just be happy they have a team again. The 2014 draft should be the best since 2003. There will be a couple teams who blow it up a bit for that draft. Wiggins and Parker should be franchise guys. If I was the new Kings management I’d blow their mish mosh roster for a shot at Wiggins. Landing Wiggins would be like landing Durant or Lebron.

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JAG
2013-01-22 2:42 pm EDT

Pargo has a lot of talent but is probably old enough that that the cavs felt that he will never overcome his urge to play out of control. Livinston is the anti-Pargo whose veteran leadership oozes playing under control. Selby is the new younger version of Pargo, who basically has more potential upside because of that. Ellington adds a really good shooter to the mix who is bigger than Gibson and more under control than CJ. That might mean three guys playing for one or two roster spots for next year. Speights is a perfect addition offering toughness and a decent shot, two things lacking from the current mix. His player option might mean he goes elsewhere, but remember that next year’s FA class is loaded with PFC’s. Not that much CAP room league-wide for him to get a raise elsewhere. The Cavs already have enough first rounders for the near future, so having to wait for it, like the Sacto pick, might be the recipe for staying off the treadmill in NBA Purgatory down the road.

TV63
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TV63
2013-01-22 2:28 pm EDT

Agree Nate Smith on Pargo. I was sad to see him go. He had some super highlights this year when he started. But the inconsistency bug got him and getting kicked out of rotation didn’t help. I hope someone picks him up and he thrives. Cavs sure did rid players in a short period of time. Harangody, Sloan, Leuer now Pargo.

Cranky M
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Cranky M
2013-01-22 2:21 pm EDT

This phrase from Kevin made me laugh:
“Leuer potential”

The potential to play the most absurdly terrible post defense in the NBA?

Kyle Johnson
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Kyle Johnson
2013-01-22 12:45 pm EDT

Bryon Scot is a hard a** i think he could open up cousins eyes to show him what he could become if he works hard and stops messing around. Kyire and Dion would both flourish with a big who can shoot and rebound….. kyrie or don drives to the basket if nothing is open pass out to the other for a corner three or dump it off to cousins for a mid-range shoot while tristan inproves his defense and Gee can be a lock down defender then just fill in the pieces after that…Grant needs to do what he can to get cousins and if Any V was still healthy i would be trying for Love but that one most likelwent ot the window once andy went down

alex
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alex
2013-01-22 12:39 pm EDT

kyle… couldnt agree more, just believe having a anthony parker or a jamison would have been good on this team especially if the cavs try to seek cousins. i think kyrie would be a great influence, along with varajeo but i dont think either have the magnitude of a career to open his eyes. i could see a spurs next year make a trade for him, and obviously the celtics. tho i like thomas robinson, and i dont think itll take much to get him if they do sell the team.

Kyle Johnson
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Kyle Johnson
2013-01-22 12:02 pm EDT

Dion may be more suited as a 6th man……

Alex..god point on the picks but now that we have so many picks a team like the Kings may be looking to gain some the Cavs should take avantage of this and do their best to get Cousins off the Kings who may be looking to restart since Tyreke Evans may look else to play this summer.

Kj
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Kj
2013-01-22 11:55 am EDT

I continued to be impressed with Grant and co. Why everyone around him media-wise acts like chicken little, he stays the course of being smart and flexible. Kudos to Gilbert too who now looks like the antithesis of what his “rep” is in the media, esp the national media.

Shelby is garbage but Mo and Ellington can actually help this teamnand overall we got a clear talent upgrade and a future pick while remaining very flexible ala the cap and whatnot. What’s not to like?

alex
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alex
2013-01-22 11:55 am EDT

great trade, its almost robbery… makes up for the losses that the lakers pick which we will lose now and the kings pick, which i doubt we will ever get cuz of the state of the organization and pending sale.

Cody (a.k.a. Scuzz)
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Cody (a.k.a. Scuzz)
2013-01-22 11:54 am EDT

Nate,

Just a hunch, but I think Dion will end up playing point off the bench. My guess at the second unit:

C – Speights
PF – Jones, now that he’s back
SF – Walton. Scott isn’t giving Casspi playing time.
SG – Ellington
PG – Waiters

Nate Smith
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2013-01-22 11:46 am EDT

I feel bad for Jeremy Pargo. He could be a good player. He has the tools. He just needs to put it all together. losing your job to a backup point guard who can’t shoot is tough.

Kyle Johnson
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Kyle Johnson
2013-01-22 11:38 am EDT

this griz pick may work out really well….By the time this pick comes to the cavs they could already be a contending team and with the pick it could push them over the hump to top team

Nate Smith
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2013-01-22 11:30 am EDT

So the CtB internal discussion is whether we should look to move Speights before the deadline since he has a player option for next year and could opt out. I was thinking Boston, but there’s not a lot of contracts there I’d like to take back. Thoughts?

TV63
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TV63
2013-01-22 11:24 am EDT

I’m glad if anyone can explain these picks (now and newer acquired). So many loopholes with… “Well that pick really belongs to T-wolves so you have to wait 2 years and then Cavs get but only if it falls between X and Z and the stars and moon lines up with Saturn and then maybe 3 years after that. You may call me dumb but in reality most people out there don’t understand all the loopholes and addendums.

KyrieSwIrving
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KyrieSwIrving
2013-01-22 11:13 am EDT

Kyle, why should that be noted? the pick isn’t getting traded now, and that pick has nothing to do with the current article or any of its comments, and the lakers still have half a season to go.

Kyle
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Kyle
2013-01-22 10:52 am EDT

Should be noted that as of now, we aren’t getting the rights to switch one of our first rounders (likely the Heat pick) for the Lakers first round draft pick because it is currently within the first 14 picks. (God it’s good to see them suck this badly, though.)

Nate Smith
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2013-01-22 10:52 am EDT

Just a note to all those who missed it, Mallory wrote a good piece this morning on the laments of Cleveland fandom. http://www.cavstheblog.com/?p=16719 It got buried by the trade news, but it’s worth a quick read and a longer rumination.

Cody (a.k.a. Scuzz)
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Cody (a.k.a. Scuzz)
2013-01-22 10:49 am EDT

@ TV63

Was thinking the exact same thing.

TV63
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TV63
2013-01-22 10:46 am EDT

Read it Cody. I guess if they’re mad that’s good for us. Unlike the Casspi trade where Sac fans were cheering.

Spots
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Spots
2013-01-22 10:29 am EDT

Excellent article Cody

Cody (a.k.a. Scuzz)
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Cody (a.k.a. Scuzz)
2013-01-22 10:19 am EDT

Here’s something interesting, the Grizzlies blog on the trade.

http://www.3sob.com/uncategorized/this-trade-is-bad-and-the-front-office-should-feel-bad/6153/

BrettB
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BrettB
2013-01-22 10:05 am EDT

From NBA.com “The Cavs will receive Memphis’s first round draft pick in the first available year (which is two years after Memphis has satisfied its current pick obligation to Minnesota). Starting in 2015 the pick could be conveyed to the Cavaliers. The pick is protected one-five and 15-30 in 2015 and 2016 (meaning the Cavaliers would acquire a 6-14 pick) and the pick is protected one-five in 2017 and 2018. If the pick has not been conveyed by 2018, it becomes unprotected in 2019. ”
http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/releases/trade-130122

Cody (a.k.a. Scuzz)
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Cody (a.k.a. Scuzz)
2013-01-22 9:55 am EDT

I guess the pick isn’t necessarily in 2015.

From ESPN – Brian Windhorst:

“The pick is the most valuable part of the deal for the Cavs because it has protections that would send Cleveland the next pick the Grizzlies have between picks 6-14 this season and 2016, making it a likely lottery selection. It is the sixth first-round pick the Cavs have traded for since 2010.

The Grizzlies owe the Minnesota Timberwolves their next non-lottery first round pick over the next three seasons as part of a previous deal. The Cavs would get the Grizzlies’ next lottery pick, as long as it falls outside the top five, over the same span.”

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8868058/memphis-grizzlies-cleveland-cavaliers-agree-multiplayer-trade-sources-say

Now we just have to hope the Grizz are in the lottery between now and 2016.

eraulli
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eraulli
2013-01-22 9:53 am EDT

What I understood was that it is #6-14 in 2015 & 2016, then top-5 protected in 2017 & 2018.

DaveR
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DaveR
2013-01-22 9:43 am EDT

Don’t know if anyone caught the details but it looks like it is a #6-14 from this season thru 2016. Wow

DaveR
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DaveR
2013-01-22 9:34 am EDT

He picks it up based on how Scott uses him for the 2nd half of the season and what he thinks his market is ( Sessions anyone?). So no sure thing.

Kyle Johnson
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Kyle Johnson
2013-01-22 8:48 am EDT

he has a player option after this year

TheKyrieShow
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TheKyrieShow
2013-01-22 8:47 am EDT

Why wouldn’t we keep Speights?? HoopsHype says his contract goes through 13/14.

Kyle Johnson
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Kyle Johnson
2013-01-22 8:46 am EDT

Cavs now have six 1st round pics and seven 2nd round picks from now until 2015 they need to start cashing in on all these extra picks

Tom Pestak
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2013-01-22 8:37 am EDT
Tom Pestak
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2013-01-22 8:34 am EDT

Or that might have been an error – thinking that Jon Leuer was still on Milwaukee or something? I dunno. Here is from 10 minutes ago.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8868058/memphis-grizzlies-cleveland-cavaliers-agree-multiplayer-trade-sources-say

Kyle Johnson
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Kyle Johnson
2013-01-22 8:33 am EDT

i would prefer to keep TT he has shown a ton of improvemet this past month but i do think this is the year we see Grant pull the trigger on something huge so with that in mind i wouldnt mind giving them Zeller

Tom Pestak
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2013-01-22 8:32 am EDT

Someone just tweeted that Josh Selby is going to Milwaukee. So maybe this trade is more complicated than we are aware right now

Kyle Johnson
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Kyle Johnson
2013-01-22 8:29 am EDT

Cousins for Luke Walton , heat/laker 1st rounder, Cavs 1st next year and this new griz pick…what do you all thinkg about this

Vesus
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Vesus
2013-01-22 8:21 am EDT

Chris Grant reaffirms his status as the best sports exec in Cleveland. Not sure what we will do with all these first rounders but Byron obviously wasn’t using Leuer so hardly a loss.

Joe
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Joe
2013-01-22 8:20 am EDT
This trade is great for the Cavs. Both guys address needs; more depth, needed skill sets, maintaining the cap flexibility. Speights and Tristan have different strengths and hopefully make them a productive pair . Speights is a shooter/floor spacer but weak defensively but a tremondous rebounder. Hopefully he flourishes in extended minutes. I could see him being a the third big man on a really good team. Hopefully the Cavs and he can make progress towards both sides of that scenario. Ellington is growing into top tier shooter and from what I’ve read is a good defender. Seems like a great backcourt compliment to either Waiters or Kyrie. It seems crazy that just a few months ago he seemed like the next great 6th man in the nba when he hit 7 threes against Miami and now he’s being dealt for cap space. As for Selby he’s talented but who knows what situation he needs to show it. The first rounder is a little luck away from being a lottery pick as Memphis could easily catch a bad break or two and finish with 47-49 wins and be just out of the playoffs with how competative the West has been… Read more »
Tom Pestak
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2013-01-22 8:16 am EDT

@EvilGenius – I doubt they are available. The trade isn’t even finalized yet.

Cody (a.k.a. Scuzz)
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Cody (a.k.a. Scuzz)
2013-01-22 8:12 am EDT

SwIrving,

I suppose. Hopefully, Jones isn’t there for too long. Would rather see Speights and Jones as the second unit front-court.

EvilGenius
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EvilGenius
2013-01-22 8:11 am EDT

Wonder if new guys will be available for tonight’s game?

EvilGenius
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EvilGenius
2013-01-22 8:09 am EDT

Love the trade. Especially since all three guys coming in are young (25 and under) and not old, broken down slow vets that take up minutes that should be reserved for players who can grow. Speights may not be a defensive stalwart, but he’s got a nice PER. Ellington looks like he can light it up if he’s got someone to pass him the ball (Cavs def need more spot up three ball guys), and Selby is a 21 year old project/relative unknown. All that AND a first rounder. Kudos to Grant on very shrewd move.

UncleDrew
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UncleDrew
2013-01-22 8:06 am EDT

Is there a market for Speights this year? A contender looking for a big man that can rebound and score a little off the bench? I believe he must be traded straight up (1 for 1) because he was just required, but couldn’t there be a team with an extra wing, but lacking size that might trade for him?

KyrieSwIrving
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KyrieSwIrving
2013-01-22 7:59 am EDT

Scuzz, Walton was getting minutes over Jones before, its no wonder why Jones was sent to the D-League before him.

Walton’s not done playing yet, but at least he won’t be our first big off the bench (God I hope)

Kyle Johnson
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Kyle Johnson
2013-01-22 7:59 am EDT

Grant need to start packaging all these 1st round picks into a great player one like a Cousins, or Love.

KyrieSwIrving
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KyrieSwIrving
2013-01-22 7:57 am EDT

Why does everyone assume Speights is out ofter this year? Hoopshype has his contract next year gauranteed… or are they missing something? http://hoopshype.com/salaries/memphis.htm

Cody (a.k.a. Scuzz)
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Cody (a.k.a. Scuzz)
2013-01-22 7:54 am EDT

@ Mallory

It would have been nice, but really no chance of the Cavs getting him. The point of the trade for Memphis was to keep him.

I’m a little surprised about Jones being sent to Canton. Looking at the roster, it’s still needs a PF/C to come off the bench. I wonder if Scott could put Casspi at the 4. He’s pretty thin for that, but he is aggressive. Put him in, let him go fight for some rebounds.

Hot Sauce
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Hot Sauce
2013-01-22 7:51 am EDT

Wow. I think we all may be over-analyzing a no-brainer, small impact trade.

Leur was not playing for us, so we parlayed him into a big guy who can protect Zeller’s minutes for the remainder of this year (very important – TZeller is about to have a heat attack out there), a 1st rounder in 2015, and a couple of pieces that may or may not be in our long-run plan. What’s not to like?

Aksel
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Aksel
2013-01-22 7:48 am EDT

Would’ve been fun to read the Hollinger analysis on this trade …

Cody (a.k.a. Scuzz)
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Cody (a.k.a. Scuzz)
2013-01-22 7:47 am EDT

@ Tom

Probably. but considering it’s a 2015 pick, who knows how things could change.

Tom Pestak
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2013-01-22 7:42 am EDT

@pete – more like a 20-30 pick if you ask me. Memphis is a very good team.

Witmi
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Witmi
2013-01-22 7:33 am EDT

Mallory, 1st rounders are valuable as assets, Chri Grant’s goal to accumulate as many assets as possible in the hopes to package them to improve the team.

Also, we gave up John Leur, I wouldn’t have cared if they cut him from the roster, let alone turn him into 2 upgrade players and a 1st rounder.

also, THIS TRADE MEANS NO MORE LUKE WALTON MAYBE EVER.

Pete
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Pete
2013-01-22 7:28 am EDT

I’m positive they can turn Leuer into a rotation player. But I am still skeptical that they can do anything other than “try to hide him” on defense from what I read about him when we picked him up off waivers. Even if he can develop, it seems like he wasn’t going to do it with the Cavs for whatever reason, ala the Danny Green situation.

Either way, we basically picked up a bunch of salary for what will likely be a 10-20 pick in 2 more years. That’s a fleecing as long as it doesn’t make us good enough to move our pick from top-5 to 6-10 this year.

Aksel
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Aksel
2013-01-22 7:27 am EDT

So, the cost of “buying” the Memphis 1st round pick is on the order of $5 mill? And, assuming that Speights and Ellington aren’t retained beyond this year, we get Selby (or waive him) for Leuer?

That’s the long-term. The short-term is much nicer, as we add at least 1, maybe 2, rotation guys to make the rest of this season much more palatable.

Pete
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Pete
2013-01-22 7:23 am EDT

I assume this is related, Jones to the D-League yesterday: http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/releases/jones-assign-130121

Tom Pestak
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2013-01-22 7:22 am EDT

HOLLINGER!!!!!

Wow – he does a salary dump and I GUARANTEE you they are going to turn Leuer into a rotation player.

But I’m happy with this trade. Cavs don’t know how to use Leuer (or choose not to) – so basically they got something for nothing.

Kevin, congratulations – we all know the real reason why this trade happened. Hollinger listened to our podcast yesterday. When I brought up his own scouting report he suddenly remembered how promising Leuer was in his rookie season and couldn’t understand why he was waived after such a good season. So now he’s seeing the same thing happen in Cleveland he’s thinking – “there’s only 3 people in this world that truly appreciate Jon Leuer: Me, some dude named Kevin Hetrick, and Leuer’s mom. I’m gonna make him into a rotation player and show off my advanced stat moxie.”

Cody (a.k.a. Scuzz)
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Cody (a.k.a. Scuzz)
2013-01-22 7:19 am EDT

It’s a nice trade for the Cavs. Hopefully this is one of those trades where a young player puts it together by being on a different team. God knows the Cavs have been on the other end of that trade a few times with Hickson, Green, and Shannon Brown.

So Speights plays backup C (I would imagine), Jones at PF. For now, I would think they keep C.J. starting, and have Ellington come off the bench. It’s possible they have Dion play point. Maybe not a great outside shooter yet, but he can create for others.

KyrieSwIrving
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KyrieSwIrving
2013-01-22 7:15 am EDT

Sweet deal. Grant using that cap space wisely. Its not a blockbuster, but I’d much rather see speights out there than Lueur/Walton. And a 2015 first round top 5 protected pick thrown in? Wow Memphis sounds like they are on their way to Sacramento if they are that desperate to save money.

DaveR
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DaveR
2013-01-22 6:59 am EDT

ok first rounder definitely sells me. Not like it was bad to begin with!

Carter
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Carter
2013-01-22 6:55 am EDT

I live in a world where we traded a guy who can’t get off the bench for two players that are probably better than him, a project, and a first round pick. Boooooom

Witmi
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Witmi
2013-01-22 6:50 am EDT

UPDATE:

FTS reporting we received their FIRST ROUND PICK top 5 protected.

LOL, do work Chris Grant.

Witmi
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Witmi
2013-01-22 6:47 am EDT

Also, I like this trade, Leur is a dumpster fire on defense and we already have enough of those.

With the Cavs presumably drafting another big this year, we had 0 room for Leur.

Witmi
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Witmi
2013-01-22 6:45 am EDT

Can Speights play interior defense at all?

Kevin Hetrick
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2013-01-22 6:53 am EDT

Witmi,
Every indication is no, that Speights is a poor defender. He shoots well and rebounds. He’s made like 47% of his long twos in the last couple seasons. Hopefully he helps spread the floor and converts some Kyrie / Dion assists on pick & pops.

Ellington can shoot, making 39% from three for this career. Having him standing in the corner when Kyrie or Dion drives will look better than Walton or Gee.

They are both players with very low assist rates, so they won’t help the team’s ball movement. Shooting is more important than passing though.

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