Trade Talks reaching “climax”
2010-02-17According to Windhorst, it may be decision time for the Suns very shortly. Amare’s agent believes that tonight’s game in Dallas will be Stoudemire’s last with the team. Generally, it’s rare for a trade that seems imminent for this long to actually happen. Phoenix is waiting on an 11th-hour savior to come in and offer them some cap relief plus talent somewhat on Stoudemire’s level. As of yet, they haven’t gotten that. And time is running out.
The Suns are the ones controlling the trade deadline right now. When they say no, it looks like the Cavs move on Jamison. The Suns could put the Cavs in a bind by waiting right up until the deadline to say no, but this is where Steve Kerr’s friendship with Danny Ferry could come into play. Less than 24 hours until the deadline, folks. Get ready.
Ok I’m glad we got jamison for basically nothing. Maybe it would have been tough to get amar’e to come here, Still, Why do i wish we would turn around and swing a Jamison + Wally for Amar’e + jason richardson trade right now? or find a way to score amar’e next summer in a sign & trade? Because I know Amar’e is one of the maybe dozen players in this league who can all but carry a team by himself. Jamison, for all that he is, isn’t one of those absolutely elite players. History has shown when you get… Read more »
Whomever says we are “getting old”
We didn’t give up Hickson, nor Danny Green, nor Boobie Gibson.
The CORE of our team is all under 30 with the exception of Shaq and Jamison. And both are still playing at a high enough level to be effective.
Trading Hickson for Amare would have made us old. He is an ANCIENT 27 – 2 surgeries, his production took a huge hit (Per from 27-20) 2 years ago and hasn’t recovered at all, and he has this eye problem now.
This move doesn’t make us OLDER since we didn’t GIVE ANYONE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bradley, don’t forget that we’re paying $32 million to a combined 70+ years worth of centers at the moment. Ferry has shown the ability to flip bad contracts (Hughes, Wallace) into positive investments so far, so I will trust his judgment on this one.
Bradley, I’ll agree in a few years this will be a problem, but this year it’s fantastic. Second, and remember this, Amare gets to play with the best offensive PG in the league and certainly the best set-up man in the league. Antawn has never played with anyone even kind of close to the greatness of LeBron James. Expect the game to be easier for him.
Kevin Durant is also a born scoring machine with 22 year old legs that are meant to go for 40 min a game. admittedly, Jamison is not meant to play 40 min a game, but he’s not really going to have to is he? And there’s a high likelihood that he’ll be playing substantial minutes against second units. jamison has made his living over the years by overachieving. Nobody every thought he’d be all star caliber; when he got drafted a lot of people doubted that he’d even be a rotation player in the NBA. I’m confident he’ll do it… Read more »
@ spencer
I already said that Antwan gets more assisted buckets than Amar’e according to 82games.com. Kevin Durant is the only legit option on the Thunder and his TS% is 61. Jamison’s is 52%. 52% is below average and when he’s 35, that number is only going to get worse. At least we get to be the team that will get to bury Jamison when he dies at midcourt from natural causes.
If any of you guys watched Amare play on a regular basis, you’d know that JJ Hickson has a pretty good chance of becoming just as good as Amare in a year or two (can catch a pass – check. can dunk – check. that’s basically all the skills amare started out with). only possibly minus the primadonna attitude since he’ll have actually had to work for it.
… that being said, we still have our work cut out for us for the future and w/respect to keeping lebron. this team is getting really old
Oh yeah, and shooting 45% when you’re the only legit option on a team and never getting anything easy is actually pretty good.
the only reason antawn hasn’t been an all star the past few years is because he plays for the wizards. his efficiency hasn’t dropped much in all the years he’s played. it’s maybe dropped a little this year, but with everything going on with that team i can’t imagine any of them are playing their best right now. i’d definitely give this trade an A+. a future first round pick + losing Z for a month, for a guy that should have been a perennial all-star? c’mon guys. it’s not as good as getting amare for the same thing, but… Read more »
@Bradley – that’s a huge expiring contract in 2 years.
There was no guarantee Amar’e was going to resign with us after this year.
THIS MOVE IS BRILLIANT!
@BradleyH
Im concerned too. You are not alone.
@dirtydirty
Why am I the only person who seems concerned that we’re going to have a starting PF making 14 million dollars when he’s 34 and 35 AND 36? Does age not matter? Since when is it a good idea to have your 2nd highest paid player be in his mid 30s? Especially when he’ll realistically be our 5th most important player this year (LeBron, Andy, Mo, Shaq THEN Jamison-who shoots 45% and 34% from 3). Being a good guy doesn’t mean being past your prime is okay.
@spencer
I couldn’t have said it better myself.
dirtydirty, bradlyH, I dont think anyone’s opinion is necessarily more valuable, accomplished basketball writer or not. Your reading a blog, proof positive that un ‘qualified’ people can have awesome opinions. Anyway, we got something for nothing. I guess if we had got amare we’d be worrying about his work ethic and defense right now so… Im gonna crack out my champagne anyway, i think. Cheers!
I’m sorry. Hasn’t Jamison lit up the cavs on just about every occasion over the last four years? Seems like a pretty good sign, especially considering how many fewer minutes he’ll be playing now. Seriously, the guy has multiple skills and can play multiple positions. Amare is was and always will be a one trick dog. He dunks and if he’s not getting dunks he cries. I’ve lived in phoenix for six years. The guy is soft. He doesn’t fit the mold of a cavs player. At least you know Jamison will do whatever it takes to win, rather than… Read more »
@BradleyH
Well… if you’re arguing that Amar’e is a better fit than Jamison, then you’re going to have to take that up with Brian Windhorst. I’ve heard that he’s pretty knowledgeable about basketball and stuff, and he claimed that he preferred Jamison over Amar’e. So… I can either go with your opinion, or I could go with Brian Windhorst’s opinion.
Can you guess which one I’m going with?
@ dirtydirty
If by Amar’e not fitting our system you mean running PnR with LeBron. Also, Amar’e shoots better from midrange in than Jamison. Jamison shoots the 3, but he shoots it at 34% (Z shoots it better than that). Jamison also is a bad defender and he can’t rebound. And he’s 33 and has 3 years left. If you want a 36 year old Antawn Jamison making 13-14 million, you’re crazy. He’s going to be clanking 3’s while everybody’s favorite son, J.J. sits on the bench. I’d rather have Murphy or have done nothing.
I LOVE DANNY FERRY!
This is SO AWESOME!!!!
WE LOSE NO ONE, WE GAIN AN ALL-STAR AND A BACKUP PG!!!
Our first round pick won’t be anything special next year anyways!
omg I am so happy right now!
THANK YOU DAN GILBERT, THANK YOU DANNY FERRY!!!
I NEVER WANTED AMAR’E – SO GLAD WE DIDN’T GET HIM.
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We’ve seen the potential from Lebron to make players around him better just by the style that he plays and Mike Brown’s very strict defensive system. That was a thought bandied about about both Jamison and Amare up until this point. Mo got better when he came here. Wally got better at defense while he was here. Delonte West has been insane since he’s been here. Even Shaq has done well here. Jamison has the work ethic to try to buy into this system. I can see where you’re going, Bradley, but I can’t write him off until we see… Read more »
Because a deal for Antawn Jamison doesn’t scream “hey Lebron, finally a legit all-star teammate, please stay in Cleveland” the way a deal for Amare does.
I suppose it was must win either way this year, but they really must win.
Wow… Windy reports that we acquired Jamison and Sebastian Telfair for Z (who will be bought out) and a first round draft pick….
Ferry is god… Ferry is god…. FERRY IS GODDDDDDD
WORSHIP HIM
Its over. Amare won’t be a Cav. Jamison will be, and we get to keep JJ…. why am I so disappointed right now?
@BradleyH
Uh… on the flip side, Amare can’t shoot from 3 at all, and his contract is about to expire, and he’s expected to get strong offers from Miami over the summer. In addition, he doesn’t fit into our system at all (since he currently can’t play D or accept being a third option).
So… what?
Oh, btw, more of Jamison’s baskets this year are assisted than Amare’s. In spite of being assisted more times than not, Jamison has a TS% of 52%. He’s also below average in rebounding and defense.
In a related story, he’s 33 and hasn’t a good game in a month. Shoot. Me.
Nope, it is Telfair
No player has ever coaxed more out of being a nice classy guy. He’s 33, has three years left of major money and our new ‘stretch four’ is shooting 34% from 3. Great. That’s an awesome move. We could’ve traded J.J., it doesn’t matter, he’s going to be sitting on the bench for the next 3 years anyway while Jamison clanks 3s and gets torched on defense. This move is awful. We’re going to feel like Celtics fans watching Rasheed Wallace in about 2 months. Oh, and the next 3 damn years.
and there are constant updates from b-dub. i love it. the man is a tweet machine.
Oh and also, I am a little scared of wade with amare.
That Woj trade doesn’t look like it makes a lot of sense for the Clippers. Has Thornton regressed that much this season?
Windy says the Clips are the 3rd team, trade could involve Outlaw and/or Steve Blake.
Oh my god! Is there actually one person who is disappointed with the prospect of getting Jamison without giving up Hickson?! Do you realize that the cavs now have an actual playmaker for when LeBron is out of the game? You know, a guy who is one of the best and going out there and getting his own shot in an assload of different ways? Amare can’t even really get his own shot! I mean, for the love of god. This trade is some sort of absolute highway robbery, and I love it. Almost as lobsided as the Gasol deal.… Read more »
Hollinger floats the idea that the third team in the trade is Chicago, and that Moon is getting swapped for Salmons.
Well, he didnt go out with the wizards team just now so Its as sure as it can be. Hmm.. I feel like I ought to be more excited. I just really wanted to see amare play with lebron : )
Woj says Cavs also get Sebastian Telfair.
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Antawn Jamison will fit in just fine. He’s a very classy player who is always a good soldier. He will definitely thrive here.
Now, I’m pretty damn sure we’re gonna win the championship. I would be willing to put 500 bucks on it, but sadly, I do not have 500 bucks since I am a poor college student.
Chemistry-wise, Jamison was never the Wizard that was at the center of the rivalry. It was always Haywood, Arenas, Songaila/Blatche, and most of all DeShawn I-Can’t-Feel-My-Face Stevenson. I don’t worry about him fitting in, especially since he senses championship.
Its a good problem to have, but the Cavs have waaaay too many big men. 14 man rotation? This is going to take finese.
Gotta look at it from a glass half full perspective. We got something for literally nothing. Its just that… we coulda had a 27 (?) year old beast instead of a 34 year old guy shooting .450 on the season. And for all the chemistry, I feel like an ex-wizard will be wayyy harder than amare. Tho the chemistry seems pretty infections so maybe no worries.
Yeah, the pick’s almost in the second round, really. As long as we get Z back, we haven’t lost anything of great value.
Tweets by PDcavsinsider
“Trade is not finalized, but sources have said all parties have agreed in principle.
2 minutes ago from web
I do not have confirmation, working on it now. Post reports 3-team deal that would send Ilgauskas/pick to Wash. D. Gooden also involved.
8 minutes ago from web”
This is good IMO, as there is still a chance the Cavs land Amare, and there is a solid backup plan if it falls through.
Nice work Ferry!
We (apparently) give up just a late first round draft pick for a 20-10 power forward and people are bummed. Go figure.
Apparently we’re giving up Z and a draft pick for Jamison… Ferry should be arrested for robbery imo.
Anyways, Stoudemire would have never fit in our system. It’s a good thing we didn’t go down that path (and it’s a good thing we didn’t have to give up JJ)
Hearing Ilgauskas and a first-rounder for Jamison. Hickson is staying with the team.
If this is true…
All in all, we really got something for what was nothing guaranteed. I don’t mind this move very much, really. Our frontline is deeeeeeeeeep now.
Looks like Andy will be playing a lot of 5 over the next 30 days.
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“Source told me #Wizards closing in on a 3-team trade that will send Jamison to CLE and Drew Gooden to a Western Conf team 23 minutes ago from TweetDeck”
No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no. Screw this season. Never been so disappointed ever.
we got Jamison, says washington post. Kinda bummed.
I’ll second dirtydirty
And, welcome to the Cavs, Antawn! Now, what did we give up … ?
First of all, I’d just like to say that I’m starting to reach a climax.
Now that that’s out of the way, I’d like to tell dunka that Windhorst is one of the best beat writers in the country. “Beat writer” is the key phrase here. Windy is not psychic or anything. He is just going off the information he has. So if you don’t want to listen to him (and instead go to realgm or ESPN, both of whom cite Windy religiously), then it’s simply your loss.
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“Washington Post reports the Cavs have traded for Antawn Jamison.”
I’m beyond believing windhorst. He has been off base several times this deadline as far as reporting things that he doesn’t have any info for or against. He’s been totally speculating on several occasions and passing those speculations off as fact. I always love him, but he’s dropped the ball for me the past week.