As the Amare turns and other thoughts
2010-02-16First off: I am officially overworked, and an afternoon post is going to be an issue. It’s time to open things up a bit. Links To The Present is what I want to keep; if you have a big-league Google Reader, some free time during the middle of the day, and don’t mind doing the dirty work, I’d like to get to know you. The email is johnkrolik@gmail.com. Experience a plus, whether it’s writing, commenting, or regular posts on a message board.
Your Amar’e updates for the day:
-Windhorst dispels some rumors in his post. First off, the Cavs have not confirmed that they are willing to move Ilgauskas and Hickson for Murphy if they can’t get an Amar’e deal done. Also, they haven’t made an offer for Jamison, and are waiting to see how things turn out with Amar’e. Also, Amar’e is more than open to the idea of playing in Cleveland, and tweeted that he thinks he plays better with Shaq.
-Terry Pluto wonders if Stoudemire is worth the risk.
-Bill Livingston says that Stoudemire is indeed worth the risk.
-Your tweet of the day comes from Nate Jones: “Report: clippers have traded clipper Darrell for Benny the Bull. Dunleavy was impressed by Benny’s toughness in front of Jay-z this sat.” I would be devastated if the Clippers ever let go of Clipper Darrell.
-Windhorst also reports that LeBron is eager for a “big role” in the upcoming labor talks. Given that one of the biggest bummers of a lockout would be canceling out one of LeBron’s prime years, I hope he’s doing everything he can to prevent a lockout.
–J.A. Adande shows some numbers supporting Stoudemire’s claim that he plays better with Shaq.
Alright, that’s all for tonight. Who else can’t wait for this trade deadline to pass?
Jaws, actually Amare has demanded 3 years at 60 million (so, max money you can get per year). And as a matter of fact, with the CBA problems and the huge loss of revenue for the league, people are actually going to start getting paid the right price.
this kind of trade calls for the mvp of common sense. its amare stoudemire. do it.
I think Amare could definetely raise his stock value by playing on cavs this season and taking the team to the finals.
“The problem with Amare is he wants a MAX contract. Quite frankly he is not a MAX player.”
Amare wants 14 or 15 million and probably 4 years at least. He is one of the premier players at his position, and everybody worth a damn is going to get overpaid this off season. He wants to be on a contender, especially if he can get there this year, and I have a feeling that if the trade went down the cavs wouldn’t have much trouble retaining LeBron and Stoudemire this summer, as long as they don’t try to lowball them while every other team in the league is falling all over themselves to overspend this off season.
Jaws, Ferry made an offer…he can’t blow up the team for a guy who hasn’t/won’t sign an extension. I tell you now, if Ferry made the deal the Suns reportedly have asked for (Hickson, Z, Green, 1st round pick) AND stoudemire came w/o an extension, I would renounce my support of Danny Ferry.
The problem with Amare is he wants a MAX contract. Quite frankly he is not a MAX player.
If we make the trade for jamison when Stoudemire was a possibility, i will renounce my support of danny ferry. The cavs should sell their souls for Stoudemire, he is a better fit right now, a better fit next year and hes not on the wrong side of 30 by 3 years. Any notion of better ‘fit’ is just bs in my mind, this isn’t the NFL. We are talking the NBA people. Talent wins championships. As much as we might feel the cavs ‘attitude’ and ‘having fun’ and ‘focus on defense’ is what has gotten us to this point,… Read more »
John, I regularly post on a sports message board, if that counts
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Well the Amare deal looks farther and farther away. Miami just flat out has more to offer than we do if they so choose to do it.
@Rich: They definitely haven’t given up on him. Camby is an expiring contract and is already 35 years old. They aren’t bringing him in to replace Oden long term. Only to hold down the fort for the rest of the season.
With the Blazers bringing in Camby you wonder if this means they are officially giving up on Oden.
“Aldridge is a low-mistake defender and turns in a decent job on the boards. Plus, he has the mobility to defend the pick-and-roll and the length to challenge shots. However, he doesn’t defend with great intensity and gets caught standing around a lot. He also has trouble matching up against the perimeter 4s who are spreading around the league like kudzu.” Thats Hollinger’s take on Aldridge’s defense (written at the begining of the year). I cant honestly say i’ve payed attention to the defense he plays, so I was basically going by that inconclusive snippet. Apparently the Blazers have already… Read more »
True dat to all those who responded to me. I agree with the Shaq point and that makes sense. I also agree with counting stats going down that Bradley brought up. Was Amare any more or less efficent under Porter? Once again, don’t have the numbers in front of me. Has anyone tackled Amare’s claim his defense was better with Shaq last year? I mean it makes logical sense (Shaq can help cover some of his mistakes), but Shaq isn’t exactly a great help defender anymore because of his complete lack of speed. Space eating is one thing, but my… Read more »
What do you mean by “big league” google reader?
what if we have gWave, and gVoice? :D those count, right? :D lol
@ Nathan: Your trade was interesting but ultimately, Amar’e is double the player that Aldridge is. And Aldridge doesn’t defend. LA is younger but Amar’e at 27 is still pretty young. @ Mike: Colin is exactly right. I would add that counting stats like PPG and RPG may be hurt by pace but effectiveness could be the exact same. It’s what you do with those possessions, not how many you get. @ Mat: The Heat seem to be pushing hard to Amar’e but the Suns don’t seem very interested in what the Heat have. They are even pretty indifferent to… Read more »
@Mike:
The problem wasn’t necessarily the pace as much as it was making Shaq the focal point. The Suns under Porter went out of their way to make Shaq their first option, even though the Nash-Amare PnR was the most dominant play in their playbook.
With the Cavs, Shaq is a safety net if and LeBron is out. The dominant play is still the 3-4 PnR. Amare will not have a problem fitting in with the Cavs.
As with Murphy and Jamison, I must believe that this Maggette thing is a smokescreen, otherwise I will spontaneously combust (again). Sending Danny Green away for Maggette is a no at this point for me, from what he’s produced so far in admittedly mostly garbage time. This team as assembled can win the championship. The question is really the future at this point, and I would tend to believe that Ferry is just trying to get an upgrade from the talent we can develop ourselves (JJ, DJ, and Green) to keep the non-Bron core of the team serviceable. (At least,… Read more »
Just curious if anyone has considered pace with Amare. In relation to Amare’s tweet last night, J.A. Adande wrote on TrueHoop that he was right, but it was more because of the switch from Porter to Alvin Gentry last season in Phoenix. I haven’t had a chance to figure out the numbers, but under Mike Brown, the Cavs play a MUCH more similar pace to what Porter was doing that Gentry. So by logic, wouldn’t Amare not be the greatest possible player for the Cavs? And let me go on record as saying that I am on board with even… Read more »
What about when Z comes back? If you keep him out of the rotation, your playing a good 25 minutes with Amare or Andy at center. This is an interesting prospect which i havent thought enough about to come to a verdict. Also, Amare is playing 35 minutes this season in Phoenix. One player I would like to see with LeBron is Lamarcus Aldridge…this is my first ever attempt at a trade idea so cut me some slack. Cavs: -get Aldridge from Blazers -get Pryzbilla from Blazers Blazers: -get Stoudemire from Suns -get Gibson from Cavs Suns: -get Ilgauskas from… Read more »
I can’t fathom how someone could think this team isn’t deep enough. I don’t know if it has enough top tier talent, but depth is no problem. People are fooling themselves if they honestly think there is a deeper team in the league than this one.
If we do get Amare I have no idea how MB works out the minutes once Z gets back. Remember, Powe is coming back too….someone, somewhere is losing minutes, period. It is a very good problem to have though.
very strange that some people are worried about not being deep enough, and others are worried about not having enough minutes to go around. Personally, I’m sick of hearing about this trade, but I can’t stop reading about it for some reason… espn has a new headline up every hour “cavs closing in on amare”, “cavs offer on the table”, “suns pondering offer”,”sources predict trade to happen anytime”. if its not actual confirmation of a trade, I don’t want to hear it.
very strange that some people are worried about not being deep enough, and others are worried about not having enough minutes to go around. Personally, I’m sick of hearing about this trade, but I can’t stop reading about it for some reason… espn has a new headline up every hour “cavs closing in on amare”, “cavs offer on the table”, “suns pondering offer”,”sources predict trade to happen anytime”. if its not actual confirmation of a trade, I don’t want to hear it.
Nathan, A few thoughts. First, you seem to be implying that Amare will be playing 35 minutes a game. That’s a bit much for any big man. But you’re also forgetting the minutes that he’ll be replacing Big Z. I don’t think he’ll take away anything from Andy. MB knows the value of the Energy Wild Thing brings from the bench. Andy has earned his playing time and I don’t think any acquisition will mess with that. Second, the regular season is the best time to take care of this adversity. The first few games of the regular season with… Read more »
Important to notice that if Stoudemire comes in, he better be taking minutes away from someone less productive than he is. While the first 20 or so minutes are coming from Hickson, the remaining 10-15 could be coming out of Andy’s pocket. This could also be a major hit on Jawario. Also, note that if Shaq or Varejao goes down for any amount of time before the playoffs, the Cavs are pretty much going to get murdered at the center spot. Note: this is an even bigger problem if we trade for Murphy. Also note that the next 6 games,… Read more »