Cavs trade for Jeremy Pargo
2012-07-25
Pretty sick dunk here...Look up "Jeremy Pargo Kevin Seraphin" on youtube.
Cleveland and Memphis completed a trade where the Cavs receive 26 year-old point guard Jeremy Pargo and a 2014 second round pick for D.J. Kennedy.
Pargo finished his NCAA career at Gonzaga in 2009, before playing in Isreal for a while, then making his NBA debut last year. He was not very good in Memphis, finishing with a PER of 4. Long story short; an aggressive and athletic driver, he struggles with turnovers and shooting.
The Cavs apparent philosophy here is, “We have cap space. We don’t have a back-up point guard. What the heck, let’s buy a 2nd round draft pick.” Memphis appears to be thinking “with Pargo, we own 11 contracts for $66.5 million next year. The luxury tax is $70.3M. Josh Selby was awesome this summer, and we just drafted Tony Wroten. He’s kind of a point guard too, right? Can we get someone to take Pargo’s guaranteed $1 million off our hands? Cleveland’s offering DJ Kennedy? Is his contract guaranteed? No? Tell them we have a deal.”
This trade is inconsequential enough that I do not have much of an opinion on it. Apparently a decent back-up point guard may still be at least one year away . Does this mean, so long, Donald Sloan? With Leuer, Kevin Jones, and Pargo on board, a lot of roster spots are taken. One thing is certain; I will need to give up on Jordan Taylor.
Boise and Kevin, From what I’ve read Hanga and Bertans still look like possible future NBA players and Richards is not too far behind. The Spurs are bringing De Colo over for the coming season. Lorbek might be good enough to make a career in Europe and may never get to SA. SA management has found a good way of using second round picks. As Boise Rick implied, if you play it as a numbers game eventually there will be some successful picks. Too many people want to stash one or two players and that doesn’t tilt the game in… Read more »
JAG – I like how you think. If only one of those guys pans out, it’s worth it. (The only risk is that they get too good & sign a huge Euro contract.) Recent 2nd rounders that come to mind: PG – N Calathes [actually late 1], Mavs G – Hanga, Satoransky Wing – Bertans, Bogdanovic, Fournier [1], Mirotic [1] Post – Shermandini & ? Two Q’a: 1: Can we stash an American player in Europe? I’d think yes- like Diebler. So why not do more of that? 2: Could Gilbert legally OWN a Euro team? (That extends JAG’s ‘visionary’-ness… Read more »
JAG and Rick in Boise,
I’m also on board with a minor league Euro group.
I wasn’t too excited about Macvan at #54 last year, but did include Hanga in my group of five players that I wanted Cleveland to think about then. How did he do this season? Is he looking like a player?
Woopsie, wrong article
At this point, a majority of the players on our team are all hypothetical and unknown commodities. If Coach Scott thinks this guy may be a solid defensive player one day than how could it hurt us too have another true center ride the pine. You all act like he would be taking a spot from someone who is going to be on our team for the long haul. We know what Harongody’s ceiling is, not very tall, why not see if this guy can’t be a above average rim protector?
DaveR, The Spurs have six players in Europe that were second rounders and basically have the equivalent of a D-league team overseas. The difference being they control those players NBA contract-wise unlike players in the D-League. They have in effect created a minor league system similar to baseball out of the European leagues. Don’t write them off as an anomaly…think of them as being visionary. I wish the Cavs had Hanga and Bertans stashed overseas, instead of the Spurs. The Cavs only have a couple players stashed. Having extra picks opens the door for emulating the Spurs success with developing… Read more »
@matt actually I love stats and used Hollinger’s draft rather a TON pre-draft. I guess you were probably joking but I would ask did you read my last post in that long thread where we all went at it? If you did you would’ve seen that I posted a blogpost by the fear the sword guy (who is quite good, btw) who was in Vegas and watched every minute of each Cavs game and he came to the almost the exact conclusions I did. I took that to mean those who WATCHED (and man, you have a lot to say… Read more »
Kj, I have one primary complaint about the “if you didn’t WATCH summer league, your credibility is damaged” creed that you seem to espouse. You realize that Dion Waiters played 1000 minutes against one of the NCAA’s most difficult schedules, routinely in front of 10000+ spectators, many times including thousands of screaming students…right? And he was really good? He split double teams and got to the rack and everything! And many games were on TV!! And people WATCHED some of these games!!! Summer League is over. It’s time to forget about the 90 minutes of loosely organized basketball, that people… Read more »
As for Gee, there are players that are better in the D-League, but you never know how guys will translate. The NBA is a specialists league. G plays defense, rebounds, finishes, and is a passable three point shooter. He also isn’t a knucklehead. You really don’t know whether that’s true about anyone coming from the D-League. The devil you know is always better than the devil you don’t. Also, I don’t blame him for trying to get as much money as he can. But looking at him, he’d fit in perfectly as a 7th or 8th man on a team… Read more »
Yeah, the trade got us a free or very reduced cost second rounder, as I am guessing the cash considerations pretty much paid for Pargo’s contract. However, we saw last year what having a couple extra 2nd round picks could do, as it let us move up 7 spots, so this is the kind of smart trade that gets us a nickle chip in the game, and might build us some goodwill with the Grizz.
I thought Sloan looked passable as a backup last year, but even if Pargo takes his spot, it won’t be much of a difference talent-wise. I think our Canton team is going to be amazing, though. Maybe Grant is trying to build a D-League dynasty.
I don’t think the 2nd round pick is worth much of anything. Last year was a deep draft and the #36 pick was traded for cash. On the whole, this is just taking another flier on a guy with some good highlights and hope he turns into something.
Is anyone else curious why the Cavs are not after Wesley Johnson from Minne? He was a lottery pick that has been the victim of too many expectations. He would be a great risk for a young team and would come rather cheap. If we take him and help them free up some money they will give us the same a good prospect and a lotto protected first rounder.
@JAG, I tried to keep my original post short. I’ll add that Grant openly admitted he does NOT want any more than 2 rookies per draft. The Cavs have a pile of picks coming. They certainly won’t sit around and use that low end pick while trading the others. So it will be packaged and sent somewhere in a deal. I am saying it has relatively little value in that regard. The spurs are a rare case in late drafting. But even for them for every great pick there are 3 guys that don’t pan out. They are also under… Read more »
I like it. I think the part to this and the Harongody signing is bringing in players that practice hard. I am assuming Pargo practices hard because he had to play his way into the league. When you are signing your 12-15 guys you don’t want lazy dummies like Hollns. Ya they stink but it keeps the starters sharp. Especially when you have a ton of young guys who could easily become complacent. This was why I was previously for signing Darko. These type of players know if they let up for a second they are out of the league
On Gee: Basically, he is an 8th guy at best on a decent team. Someone who you can use for 17 to 22 minutes to play hard defense on wing players who aren’t too tall. But he is certainly nothing particularly special as he can’t put the ball on the floor for more than 2 dribbles at max, isn’t a knock down shooter, and isn’t truly a shut down defender. Since we still don’t have any solid wings, we need him, but he is certainly replaceable in the not too distant future. As far as the scout’s take, he is… Read more »
That Pargo dunk was awesome don’t forget about his crossover no look pass from summer league this year.
DaveR,
Two things to consider regarding playoff team’s 2nd rounders. Check out the group of players the Spurs have stashed in Europe that were 2nd rounders. They could get a couple of decent players out of their own Euro development program. The other thing to consider is how Grant used his second rounders to move up to get Zeller.
On the Alonzo Gee stuff – I could very well see last year being a bit of a fluke. And it’s not like he lit the world on fire. I like having him on the team though for the highlight dunks
Kj cares not for stats. How did he LOOK in those 400 minutes? Surely something as subjective as judging a players dribble drive on aesthetics is a far better indicator of their play than what they actually accomplish on the court.
Moral of the story, we bought a second round pick. Hopefully, unless this scrub proves a lot in practice, he never sees the court and we bring back sloan.
Ryan Hollins PER was a 6.96 for 2012. That should tell you enough.
In December he played solid minutes filling in for Conley. But he dropped a stinker vs Chicago 2-13 shooting and he was done after the next night. Not sure what value a playoff team 2nd round pick is to the Cavs.
Well, Kevin, I will at least wait til I see Pargo play a few games before I lament our back-up PG status! You have given up on this dude before you even see him in a Cavs uniform. He may be the definition of a “decent back-up PG!” haha!
Oh Kj; you always read more into my words than is there. I say, “a decent back-up point guard may still be at least one year away”. The imperative word being “may”. Pargo could be all right. Right now though, all he has done is play 400 NBA minutes by the age of 26, and post a 4 PER. I wasn’t going to get real excited about it, but also don’t want to completely write him off.
Pargo has a qualifying offer of 3.2 million next year. That’s a lot of money, and I think the Cavs have to honor it.
Obviously, the Cavs will keep Pargo at PG. Will the Cavs be more likely, now, to make the Bynum deal and get rid of Luke Walton & Daniel Gibson’s contracts.
Did the Cavs draft Tyler Zeller in order to trade him to Orlando?
Orlando would far prefer a young player to rebuild, maybe.
Maybe Andy will alternate with Bynum & Tristan next year in the frontcourt.
Bric,
According to hoopshype, Pargo has $1 million guaranteed in 2012 – 2013, with a $3.2 million qualifying offer in 2013 – 2014. That is my understanding of his contract situation (and is perhaps what you are saying also).
If Pargo does not improve a lot in 2012 – 2013, I doubt they make the qualifying offer.
JAG,
Yeah, Gibson, Gee, Samuels and Azubuike all have non-guaranteed contracts next year. Signing all four of those players brings the roster up to 15 (when Harangody, Jones and Pargo are factored in). We’ll see who stays and who goes.
The list of guaranteed contracts keeps growing…Boobie, Gee, Sloan and Samuels move a roster spot closer to the edge of the cliff…chances for SL hopefuls like Eric and Holiday become slimmer…signing a FA might mean the end for someone in the roster musical chairs game. Who is the first player under contract that the Cavs will waive…Azubuike, Walton, Harangody, Jones?…do they take back offer to Gee or buy out Gibson?…stay tuned to Days of Our Lives, Millionaires Version.
Unrelated, from StepienRules.com “A scout from the Western Conference told me that he believed there were twenty players in the D-League better than Alonzo Gee. That sounded real harsh to me when he said it. I’m almost not sure that’s even fair to say, and I immediately thought this guy might still be bitter over a missed opportunity to recommend Alonzo to his GM or something a couple years back. Instead of saying all that though, I simply replied with “really?” He continued. “Hey, I’m not saying the guy didn’t capitalize on his opportunity. He did, and great for him.… Read more »