Cleveland is out as a third-team trade partner in a possible Orlando-Brooklyn deal for Dwight Howard, sources tell Y! Sports.
Sure. Fine. Whatever. I don’t quite understand why the Cavs are pulling out (though that the deal was ever that close is in dispute), but they likely had a good reason. I imagine Humphries balked at the one-year deal, since he’s a free agent and can sign or not sign whatever he wants. Or perhaps the Nets wanted to include someone the Cavs didn’t want. It’s strange, in this era of Twitter and instant updates, that we have information, but it’s always scant and incomplete. I have no idea what happened except that this trade was maybe a thing, then suddenly not a thing. The world is its own Platonov novel.
I’m kind of relieved.
i bet it has humpfries not taking a one year deal
We didn’t need Humphries and if we wanted him we have the money to sign him as a free agent. Dan Gilbert was called out on a cpl of shows for being potentially part of a trade that would give the nets a power team like the heat and he was one of the owners fighting so that couldn’t happen again. So being called out on tv about being a hypocrite may have changed things. Plus everything offered was useless to us, so why help the nets and magic when we don’t get back anything we could really use
Also, it’s goofy. From everything I read, the leaks weren’t coming from the tight lipped Cavs. Who knows how much they were even in it to begin with.
I’m relieved. Zeller and TT need the reps, and we don’t need one year rental improvement.
What I’m not relieved about? Perhaps Zeller should have been one Sullinger…
http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/story/_/id/8145674/good-first-impression-boston-celtics-rookie-jared-sullinger
Probably would have been more worth it at #17. I have a feeling I am going to dread this, which is too bad, cause I love sully and now will have a hard time rooting for him knowing that we could have got him. If he stays healthy he’s a top 6 player from this draft.
Humphries wants guaranteed 3-4 year contract. Bottom line, Cavs said no to this only 1 year you get or no deal. So off he goes maybe to the Bobcats. They said we were getting a late 1st round pick anyways which would not be worth signing Humphries for 3 years. Oh Well. Whatta ya going to do?
…listen to Bucher theorize that Dan Gilbert wants to help Nets be a roadblock to Heat, so that he can ultimately claim Kyrie Cavs were first to a “legit 82 game” championship (assumes, of course, that Heat magic number is just one). Where does he come up with this stuff, and why does he feel a need to share it?
I find it funny how much press Sullinger’s strong summer league performance is getting. The dude was a beast in college, so why would he not be good in summer league? The concern is that he will not be a beast in the actual NBA. While we can dispute how fair that concern is, I don’t see how one summer league game changes it.
I’m actually glad they pulled out. It would have been great to get a late 1st round pick for a half year of Humphries (probably would just trade him). Now that he’s adament on a 3 or 4 year guaranteed deal and we have to take on QRich, it’s not worth losing all of that flexibility for a pick they could probably buy for a few million anyways.
Awesome. Zeller and Thompson need the reps anyway. Chris Humphries has no long term future with the Cavs, and would only stifle their development. Those 2 need to play, and play a lot next year. I’m so excited to watch both of them next year.
I think Irving, Waitors, Thompson, and Zeller are great core of your talent. It’s kind of amazing 2 years after Lebron tried to stake this team in the heart they have bounced back so well. If they can get a 3 in the lottery next year, this team could be in business.
Also, don’t sleep on Kelenna Azubuike, dude averaged 15 points a game the last time he played a full season and has all the physicall tools.
Sullinger was a great pickup for the Celts but wouldn’t have been for the Cavs. I bet Sullinger this year and next yea beats Zeller in most ways. Sullinger is just better and the Celts need an immediate impact. In 4-5 years though sully might be out of the league. Think Blair, Best season was his rookie year. Zeller is looking at a ten year career and wil get better as he adds strength
I like Sullinger and I hope he does well, but I don’t think he fits what Byron Scott was looking for. He wants the Cavs to be a running team. The fact that Zeller gets up and down the floor fast was big for Scott. Sully is 6’9 and 270. He’s more of a brusier than a runner.
“What I’m not relieved about? Perhaps Zeller should have been one Sullinger…
http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/story/_/id/8145674/good-first-impression-boston-celtics-rookie-jared-sullinger”
And lord knows that Summer League is a great indicator of NBA success, right…..?
I thought all along that the Cavs were gonna take Humphries with the express desire to flip him into another trade. I wouldn’t be so sure it still doesn’t happen…
Yes, so everyone above agrees that Luke Walton is our answer…. yes drop out of a trade that lands us 3 players, cash, and a first round draft pick for Walton…. yeah, yeah, i’m relieved too
“Yes, so everyone above agrees that Luke Walton is our answer…. yes drop out of a trade that lands us 3 players, cash, and a first round draft pick for Walton…. yeah, yeah, i’m relieved too.”
Oh yes because we want Richardson and Gaines so bad…The cash was pretty much for us to buy those two guys out, so thats a wash.
And I’d much rather have Luke Walton on an expiring than Humphries for 4 years, so yeah, I am glad it didn’t go down that way.
Why is everybody so anti-Humphries? He’s an above average 26 year old PF. It’s not like he’s past his prime. Why not give him 3-4 years? We’re in love with TT that much? Where’s Krolik?
Pretty mad the Cavs pulled out… There was nothing wrong with the deal to begin with. Humphries is solid, Richardson’s contract wasn’t ridiculous, and they add a cheap backup PG. Plus, it’s always nice having another first rounder (Don’t really care about the cash though, Gilbert has plenty)
“Why is everybody so anti-Humphries? He’s an above average 26 year old PF. It’s not like he’s past his prime. Why not give him 3-4 years? We’re in love with TT that much? Where’s Krolik?”
He only started putting up decent numbers when given a lot of minutes on a terrible team.
Either way a 4 year deal for him would be worth probably the 30 million range, pointless to commit that to him and have him take minutes away from TT and Zeller. this team is making a commitment to build through the draft, Kris Humphries isn’t the caliber of player you pursue when doing that.
“…listen to Bucher theorize that Dan Gilbert wants to help Nets be a roadblock to Heat, so that he can ultimately claim Kyrie Cavs were first to a “legit 82 game” championship (assumes, of course, that Heat magic number is just one). Where does he come up with this stuff, and why does he feel a need to share it?”
I agree. Mike Hill on Mike and Mike talked about how petty Dan Gilbert is because of Bucher’s brain fart. He blamed Dan Gilbert for trying to build a team that can beat Miami until the Cavs can and then he blamed Gilbert for pulling the Cavs out of the Howard deal. So now it’s Dan Gilbert’s fault that Howard hasn’t been traded to the Nets yet. It’s not the fact that Howard is being ridiculous by demanding a trade to a team that can’t sign him next summer or that the Nets don’t have appropriate assets to do the deal on their own. It’s Dan Gilbert’s fault, not the fact that 4 players have to agree to sign and trade deals. I can’t blame Humphries for wanting a long term deal. He’s coming off his best two seasons and was 4th in the league in rebounding last year. I also don’t blame the Cavs for not wanting to invest $24 million long term on Varejao, Thompson and Humphries considering they have the same strengths and weaknesses.
Love Cavs:The Blog but ESPN has turned into a pathetic fluff machine and most of their talking heads lack the capacity for original thought.
@Kyle, definitely, the guy HAD an all-star in Williams among others and the team still stunk with him Lopez and Wallace. It would parallel Cleveland this year. And I don’t want him for 3-4 years. Nor should they.
Also yes Luke sucks but he’s only on for 2 more years, and I can’t imagine they DON’T flip him before his contract is up. The guys coming back at us were going to have more years attached via S&Ts and of course QRich.
Finally, I am less and less impressed with these guys who had a stop at GS(Kelenna). Hopefully he proves me wrong.
Okay this is a different topic, but I caught this video from the USA basketball team scrimaging against the Select team. Around 17 seconds in, they start a section on Kyrie. He might have the best spin move in the NBA.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?src_vid=hUSPDDpNUH4&annotation_id=annotation_726216&v=69bc_OOLIMM&feature=iv
Its stupid to be mad at not doing this deal because of not getting players. The only player in the deal worth having is an unrestricted free agent the cavs could get anyways if they wanted him. They (rightfully) decided he wasn’t worth the amount of money/years he wanted, so they left the deal.
Bottom line, its not worth it to invest a good chunk of salary cap for 4 years into a decent player you don’t love who doesn’t mesh well with your current assets just to get a 25th pick in some future draft, especially when you already have six 1st round picks coming in the next 3 years. Throw in the fact that you have to pay more scrubs you don’t want, and its a no-brainer to walk away.
Dan Gilbert is the new whipping boy for the NBA. Oh well, he’s got thick skin and it’s not like the majority of people in NE ohio have a problem with him – most think he’s a great owner.
Humphries wants to get paid – and he’s a very limited player. If the deal is contingent on him getting a 3 or 4 year deal then of course the Cavs are going to say no, unless maybe they got Marshon Brooks too. So much mis-information out there.
Honestly, I used to get defensive when reporters, media talking heads, and “a source close to the cleaning lady of a western conference scout” would take shots at the Cavs. Now, I realize how much I detest every last one of those people, it’s kinda like – why do I care what these people think/write? They are always going to behave this way, nothing is going to change, and I’m not anything of an influence to fight back and convince anyone else that they are wrong and shouldn’t be given the time of day. So, I’ll go on supporting my teams and the smart decisions they make, and let everyone else blame Gilbert for doing or not doing whatever the hell happens. It did make me smile to see “an anonymous GM” say the Cavs were becoming the most irritating team in the league to deal with. GOOD! EFF THAT, what are they supposed to scratch everyone’s back or something? Hand out free money?
Humphries is an OK player but there’s a lot of duplication of talent there, and why would the Cavs want to take on that salary for 3 years to get a 1st round pick? Ric Bucher is a moron. Maybe if the Nets hadn’t made an all time bonehead trade for Gerald Wallace they’d be in better shape right now.
The cars don’t want Humpfries on a long term contract because next year they have 30+million in cap space and there are a lot of good players in next years free agent class. CP3 and Howard obviously won’t come here but Harden Al jefferson Paul Millsap Bynum Manu, Josh smith Steph Curry, Monte Ellis, Kevin Martin, serge Ibaka, Tyreke Evans and David West will all be free agents as well and taking humpries on precludes us from maybe signing two of them.
Humphries is not just OK. He is a definitively above-average NBA power forward. If i hear one more person say getting him would be bad because it would take minutes from Zeller, i will punch my computer. Zellers = unproven rookie. Humphries = proven double-double machine. A proven commodity is better than an unproven one.
@cranky I’d be down with signing Humphries for 3 or 4 years, if the Cavs traded Andy. Varejao, Humphries and Thompson all have the same strengths with varying concentrations. The three also have the same deficiencies. None are a stretch 4 who could open up the lane and run the pick and pop with Kyrie or Waiters and none of them can create their own offense. It just seems redundant to have $24 million per season devoted to three similar players. It’s a long term plan and the Cavs do need to develop their youth. Cap flexibility is a good thing going forward. If they turned around and traded Andy afterwards for a young SF or future draft pick Humphries would make sense.
What’s Platonov got to do with it?
Hmmm. Defenitely above average? http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/humphkr01.html On defense, is defensive efficiency rating was 106: strictly average. His offensive rating was 110, which puts him in the top 25% of the league. His wins shares was 5.3 and .118 Per game. Which is top 15%. Top 25 in total rebound rate, and top 30 in offensive and defensive… His true shooting percentage was .539, not terrible. Good for top 30% in the league. 17.9 is an above average PER. These numbers are are not position adjusted. He also fouled in the top 25. So yes, he’s above average. I read on another site though that it took him 6 years to get to this point. Tristan Thompson’s rookie averages (with no training camp) match Humphries’ 3rd year averages. The point being, if you want TT to develop, do you really want to sign Humphries, who plays the same position and will make conceivably twice as much? Neither of them are centers…
Yes he would take minutes from Zeller, because when Zeller plays, Andy can play the 4. But more importantly, he’d be taking minutes from Tristan, a guy we’ve committed to being our PF of the future, and who is two years further along than Humphries was as a rookie. For that reason I’m against the move. I’m not in love with TT, but he’s not going anywhere for a while, and I’d rather commit to him and see if it can work than go after Humphries and set back TT. Also, read the Stepian Rules post about Humphries kind of being a total jerk.
“Tristan, a guy we’ve committed to being our PF of the future.” I’m not so sure about that, considering they offered him up to the Hornets in an attempt to trade for the number one pick. I mean, i realize Davis is supposedly a once-in-a-generation player (which, by the way, i’ve heard about a lot of players this generation. Gets on my damn nerves), so you offer whatever you can to try to get him, but that doesn’t seem like we’re all that committed to him.
For the record, i said the other day on here that i didn’t necessarily like the deal. Just not for the reasons that many other people seem to dislike it.
In any case, it’s all a moot point now. Sure as hell wish we would sign/trade for SOMEBODY reasonable, though. We desperately need a back-up PG or SG, and i would love to have another decent big on the bench.
Cranky, damn your moniker is accurate. Obviously if we’re talking a Dwight or Lebron level talent (which, rookie or not, Davis is set to become) then TT becomes a movable asset. If we’re talking an above average but unspectacular player 6 years older and being paid twice as much, it makes a little less since to sacrifice his growth. Being willing to trade a player for a superstar doesn’t mean you aren’t committed to him, it just means you aren’t an idiot.
And again Cranky, we don’t desperately need anything this year. We have 0% shot at winning a ship this year, so what we desperately need to do is execute the plan that will allow us to have a legitimate shot at contending. If it means signing/trading for a player, so be it. If it means waiting until we have a better idea how good our young assets are and then filling in the holes with Free Agents in a year or two, then be patient. We should not be making a single move without a championship trophy in mind.