Cavs Offer Entire Draft to Hornets, Who Laugh and Hang Up
2012-06-11
ESPN Insider Chad Ford says NO told #Cavs no thanks when CLE reportedly offered Nos. 4, 24, 33 and 34 for No. 1. Can’t blame ’em for trying.
I mean, obviously. Word is the Cavs are exploring their options as far as dealing the fourth pick (perhaps in a package that includes their 24th and/or two second-round selections) to move either down (the Blazers have the 6th and 11th picks) or up (the Bobcats might be willing to deal the 2nd pick). Hearsay is all we have at our disposal, really. It seems logical to me that the Cavs would look to move somewhere in this draft. If they want Barnes or Lamb, like some have surmised, then they can probably still get one of them with a lower selection, and if they’re set on getting Beal or MKG (especially MKG), they’ll likely have to move up.
They have assistants walking players through the stations making sure they do it right. I remember seeing them make a player redo his standing reach because his hand wasn’t completely vertical. At most, Barnes is cheating on an inch of his vert.
Wouldn’t that be obvious if he wasn’t trying to stretch as high as he could? He’s in shorts and a t-shirt. You would think someone would notice if he’s is slouching or doesn’t have his arm straight. Besides, why pull a stunt like that in front of all those scouts and GMs? Seems like he’d have more to lose than gain.
Jag, reaching or not while standing wouldn’t have anything to do with the differences between a no step and one step jump. Regardless, he has the highest no step vertical reach (can’t really fake that) of anyone under 6’11, and at 6’8, I doubt anyone would have guessed that. But yeah, he probably didn’t stretch his best, or he’s got really low shoulders. Thats one thing I always wondered about combines and stuff, why they measure the height of the top of your head. Wouldn’t the top of you shoulders have a better indication of what you can do vertically?… Read more »
Oh, I agree Kevin. I looked at that. It’s definitely not the best indicator. I will say that it sours me on a guy like will Barton, who seems to be skinny, weak, and slow.
And JAG, you could be right. That was a really strange anomaly.
Barnes may have tanked his standing reach number to inflate his vertical leap. Vertical leap is calculated by subtracting standing reach from the highest point a player can touch jumping. If a player doesn’t give their maximum stretch while doing their standing reach measurement, it makes their vertical jump look more impressive. Wanting to enhance his brand, Barnes might feel it is better marketing to have a higher vertical leap. This would explain why there wasn’t much difference in his standing vertical leap and his one step vertical. It would also explain why his vertical reach wasn’t as high as… Read more »
Someone should look into if Drummond is wearing a heel lift in one shoe to offset a leg-length discrepancy.
I take that back. Robinson is dramatically faster (sprint) and more agile than Sullinger.
Good stuff HoopsDogg. Another thing that caught my eye is that Sullinger is the same height as Robinson, has a higher no-step vertical, weighs more, and has similar wingspan. Based on stereotypes, I always assumed Robinson was the better “pure” athlete.
As an aside, why don’t all of these guys where the same size show with regard to height? If what matters is your height with shoes, why doesn’t Nike design like a 6 inch platform shoe? Just Do It, Nike.
WHOA! NBA Combine Athletic testing posted. The story here is Harrison Barnes. http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?year=2012&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=0&source=NBA%20Draft%20Combine&sort=10 Harrison Barnes KILLS it. Highest No Step Vert at 38″ and 38.5″ step vert. MKG 32″, and 35″. He also had the fastest 3/4 court sprint time and was in the top 20 on the agility. Also 15 bench reps kills MKG’s 6. Rhe 38″ no step vert is the highest in the database going back to 2009, beating out iman Shumpert. I almost wonder if it’s a typo. I think it’s safe to say that Barnes is back in the top 4 discussion. Miles Plumlee has… Read more »
HoopsDogg,
Check out the top 15 – 20 no-step verts in draftexpress’s database for “drafted” “small forwards”. Not exactly a “who’s who” of NBA players. Highest bench press is even worse; best small forward with 15 or more bench reps is debatedly Ronnie Brewer.
Joey Graham did 26 bench reps, 10.62 agility and 3.05 sprint; all extremely elite in combine history.
These tests are informative, but I don’t think they are typically highly indicative of projecting success.
Davis is the best big man prospect since Oden anyway. I don’t blame them for kicking the tires on Davis, but it’s not going ANYWHERE. As for where to move to. Moving down to the 6/11 is a good move. I don’t see the need to move up to 2. The only reason to move to two is to take Robinson. I don’t think Charlotte sells that pick though. We’ll be choosing between Drummond and Beal. Someone will want to trade up with us or the Wizards to take Drummond. Portland seems like the natural destination. We could do a… Read more »
eh…it was worth a shot. Not surprised by the outcome though. I still think the Cavs will make a move or two on draft day. Just not big moves like this would have been. I wouldn’t mind them packaging #24 and both 2nd rounders to move up and grab Terrence Ross (provided they didn’t get Beal at #4). Barnes at 4, Ross at 15 or so, buy back in around 27 and grab Ezeli. I think something like this would be a successful draft for Cleveland.
There is literally nothing we could offer the Hornets for them to trade us Davis. I don’t even think giving them Andy and Kyrie would get it done. That franchise needs a superstar considering its recent history. Practically every scout has said that Davis is the best bigman to come out since Duncan. (Still think Oden was the better prospect at the time, regardless of how it turned out.) In any case, I like that Grant was giving it a shot anyway, hoping that they are dumb. Yes, in basketball, the number 1 pick is worth every pick you may… Read more »
Dan, I personally think Davis will be a better version of dwight, same defensive presence, maybe not quite as nice of post moves, but who has range and hits free throws. The kid is a freak. I would much rather have him than MKG who will be an effective defender but much less significant because he’s on the wing, and some “legit” 7 footer who clearly isn’t too legit to be falling that far in the draft. Hollins was a legit 7 footer, no thanks. Davis can play center in the NBA just like he did in college once he… Read more »
I was thinking, that in my perfect world, the Cavs would start the next season with a roster containing Kyrie, Harrison Barnes, MKG and Tristan Thompson. If for no other reason, how insanely great would the chemistry be on that team? They’re all friends, and played with or against each other in high school, aka like 2 years ago for these young ‘uns. But maybe I’m just crazy. What moves would it take to land that roster, I wonder out loud?
I like that idea of trying to move up our #24 pick.
Another possibility is trying to add the Hornets #10 pick, the Blazers #11 pick ,the Rockets #16 pick, or the Celtics #22 pick. They are all looking to move one of their picks for a young player. Would any of those teams take a signed-and-traded Gee and our two second rounders (nonguaranteed contracts) for their pick plus a bad contract?
Would you give up Gee and the second rounders for Ariza and the #10 pick?
This draft will produce multiple stars, but whether those stars are MKG, Beal, Lamb, Drummon, Robinson, Perry Jones, or whoever else no one really knows. The only one we know will be in that group, barring career threatening injury, is Davis. And personally I don’t just think he’ll be a star, but a 1st ballot hall of famer. Big guys like him just don’t move the way he does, don’t hit free throws like he does, and don’t have the a completely team first attitude he displays, don’t have the feel for the game he has. He’s the total package.… Read more »
I would be all for this trade. Davis is the only sure star from the upcoming draft, and I think we should kick around throwing verajoa (as much as I love the guy and in no way think we should be looking to move him just to move him) along with a couple 1st rounders and taking back ariza or okafer to get him. He complements Kyrie and Tristan very well (has some range, d boards, finished in transition, and can never go wrong with exceptional D) and would give us a bonafide core for the future, along with still… Read more »
I would be all for this trade. Davis is the only sure star from the upcoming draft, and I think we should kick around throwing verajoa (as much as I love the guy and in no way think we should be looking to move him just to move him) along with a couple 1st rounders and taking back ariza or okafer to get him. He complements Kyrie and Tristan very well (has some range, d boards, finished in transition, and can never go wrong with exceptional D) and would give us a bonafide core for the future, along with still… Read more »
The Cavs would be selling their house for a Ferrari if this trade actually went down, I’m not sure I’d be too happy with that deal if it was accepted. But hey, maybe they figure we already have a great driver (Kyrie) for that Ferrari and management feels comfortable taking that combo to the races (okay, done with the metaphors here). I just think there’s far too much risk involved in something like that, never know if a #1 pick can suffer the same fate poor Greg Oden did. But it shows Chris Grant has some serious balls, and in… Read more »
I, for one, like that they are exploring every opportunity, but I didn’t like that trade. We have too many holes to fill and I would rather have 2 really solid players from this draft to play with Kyrie than 1 – we can hope to use some of our extra picks to move up mid-first round. I guess if Davis turns out to be Dwight Howard like eventually, I would be wrong, but think about the other players available. Would you rather have Anthony Davis and just hope that some mid-high level FA’s end up signing with us who… Read more »
I’ve said all along that the Cavs should consider doing just about whatever it takes to add Anthony Davis. If the Bobcats had won the lottery they might have had a chance. NOLA just might be too hard of a nut to crack. If the Cavs did indeed make that offer they will probably revisit the Hornets with a modified one. I’m thinking that offering that many picks in one draft to a team that already has two lottery picks is a plan that was doomed to failure from it’s conception. Reworking that offer to take on bad contracts (Okafor,… Read more »
Glad to see they’re staying active
Grant is in a really tough spot here. I personally would like to see a scenario where we use number 4 on either MKG, Barnes or Beal (hopefully the ‘Cats take Robinson)…then make a trade to move from 24 into the teens and find some talent there (Ross or Lamb maybe). As long as such a move could be made without moving Varejao…that would be a deal breaker.
I like it. Now I am not sure if Davis is exactly worth more than what they offered, but it is a ballsy move. That is what I am most pleased with. The fact that the Cavs are willing to go out and make some offers and see what happens. It shows that they are going to continue on their path of trying to make things happen. GO CAVS.