So, under normal circumstances, I would have sat down this morning and tried to spend 1,200 words comparing Alonzo Gee to an antelope or whatever, but I’ve got a few thoughts kicking around my head that I don’t think I can channel into a coherent essay, but wanted to talk about anyway. Bullet points: engage!
–I think it was David Thorpe who recently wrote about team-building through the draft, and how drafting certain types of prospects in the same draft or consecutive drafts has a significant impact on their development and, by extension, the direction in which a team grows. Considering that this Cavs team is likely going to have to be built through the draft (last year’s, this year’s, and the next), I think this draft is the one in which fit becomes important. Not “fit” in the sense that the Cavs shouldn’t draft Anthony Davis if they win the lottery because they already have a lanky, athletic forward, but “fit” like not drafting too many projects or ball-dominant players or guys who can’t shoot. For example, I like Andre Drummond. He scares the hell out of me with his intermittent passivity, but I think, in the right situation, he could sort himself out and become one of the best centers in the league. Let’s suppose I’m right—that if there are six realities that lie in front of Andre Drummond, in one of them he is a seven-time All-Star—and that Chris Grant agrees with me. The Cavs have the fifth pick, and they’re deciding between Drummond, Harrison Barnes, Perry Jones, and trading down. What should they do? I think the answer revolves around a number of questions.
–Are you okay with having a future front line (TT and Drummond) that can’t shoot free throws? We’ve seen the Clippers have this problem with DeAndre Jordan and Blake Griffin. When your starting forward and center pair can’t shoot a respectable percentage from the line, you’re leaving points on the table every game. On top of that, you can’t run your offense through the post late in games. Everything has to be isos, pick-and-rolls, and running shooters off picks. Because the Clippers have the best point guard in the world in Chris Paul, they often get away with this. Are the Cavs comfortable running literally every play through Kyrie Irving late in games? Maybe they are.
–This sort of goes hand-in-hand with the previous question: is a TT-Drummond front line going to be sub-par offensively and is that an issue? I think OKC is a good team to look at to answer this question. They start two offensively-deficient big men in Serge Ibaka and Kendrick Perkins. One is a hyper-athletic shot-blocker, and the other is… well, whatever your opinion of Kendrick Perkins is. This works fine for the most part. Perkins sets screens, guards the other team’s center capably, and grabs rebounds while Ibaka catches alley-oops and protects the rim. It doesn’t much matter (except when it does, late in games, but I’ll get to that in a minute) that neither can score because OKC has two of the best perimeter scorers in the league in Russell Westbrook and Kevin Durant. Plus James Harden is eminently capable of going off for 25 and six. I don’t think, unless the Cavs are incredibly lucky in future drafts or free agency, that they will have three perimeter scorers on the level of KD, Russ, and The Beard. So where do those points come from? Is Irving going to have to become Derrick Rose and score 30 a night in order to carry his team offensively? We also occasionally, in crunch time, see the problems OKC experiences as a result of having two non-scoring big men. Because neither Ibaka nor Perk is particularly apt at making a 15-footer, the paint becomes clogged with defenders, and OKC has to either live or die by long jumpers or pray Westbrook can pull off one of those impossible Westbrook drives where he knifes through three defenders and lays it in. It’s not the most efficient way to get clutch baskets.
–Is Tristan Thompson a project? So, we’ve talked about this a bit. You can’t write a sentence about TT without using the words “raw” and “athletic.” But where is his ceiling, exactly? I think, defensively, he has the potential to be similar to Serge Ibaka. But offensively, it’s hard to know where his game is headed and what the Cavs expect from him. Do they think he will learn to shoot? Do they expect him to be the third-leading scorer on a playoff team? His status as a project depends on what you expect him to be. If he’s supposed to be a good offensive player, then he needs a lot of work. If he’s supposed to grab rebounds, block shots, and score in the same ways Andy Varejao does, then he’s closer to his objective. I mention this because Drummond is definitely a project. He needs to be coached in terms of asserting himself, playing hard on every possession, etc. I don’t think there’s a giant disparity in talent between Anthony Davis and Drummond, but the difference is Davis works his ass off, and Drummond seems like a weird, moody giant. My point is the Cavs don’t want two projects. You can overhaul one raw talent’s game, but two? That’s a challenge the coaching staff likely can’t handle.
–How do you feel about PJ3 and Barnes? This is not a question I care to answer. Go bother Kevin about this. But it’s something that needs to be considered. PJ3 actually has a lot of the same problems as Drummond re: work ethic, disappearing from games, etc., and Barnes is a kind of terrifyingly limited player.
Anyway, I’m just throwing this out there as something to chew on. Feel free to fight about this in the comment section.
I’ve read a few things lately from pre-draft workouts that have got me thinking. I didn’t know MKG considers Kyrie his best friend and is currently working out in beachwood! After that and chad Ford’s tweets from Santa barbara I have a new possible draft scenario.
3. MKG
24. John Jenkins (apparently added muscle and drains threes like no one else in this draft.)
33. Festus Ezeli (also has shown improvement and looks explosive in workouts)
34. Drew Gordon (basically Thomas Robinson from a lesser school. Will be working out for cavs.)
Thoughts? I like the idea of getting a sure fire winner and strong open court threat/lockdown wing defender first if we can get the drafts best shooter at 24. I think Jenkins, Ezeli an Gordon may all rise.
Ryan Young,
Yeah, Kyrie and MKG were high school teammates. I like your draft scenario.
Regarding Drummond, Jones and Barnes if the Cavs pick 5th or 6th; I’m closest to having talked myself into PJ3. A few updated thoughts on each:
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In the last ten years, the really strong top 5′s have been Lebron, Carmelo, Wade, Bosh…and Milicic
Rose, Westbrook, Love, Mayo…and Beasley
Griffin, Harden, Rubio, Evans…and Thabeet
Once upon a time some fanbase was excited to pick Kwame Brown over Tyson Chandler and Pau Gasol. The top 5 is never bust proof. There is frequently a big man that doesn’t work out as planned…is it Drummond this year? I have NO IDEA WHAT TO THINK ABOUT ANDRE DRUMMOND.
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I’ve recently watched the UK vs Baylor Elite 8 game and on back to back possessions, Perry Jones III backed Anthony Davis down; scoring once over him and getting fouled the other time. Watching these plays, I think “why doesn’t he dominate”? I think about the times I’ve seen him go coast-to-coast, the spectacular alley-oops, the sweet drained threes…he’s 6′-11″, a freak athlete…why can’t he put all these things together night after night? But then I think about all the 4 point, 4 rebounds games, where the reaction is “which one was Perry Jones?” I understand why people had him #1 in last year’s draft at different times AND why people had him nearly out of the top ten in this year’s draft.
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In my draft profile, I listed Barnes’ likely career as similar to 2010 – 2011 Danny Granger (not 2008 – 2009 Danny Granger). I’ve seen nothing to make me change my mind. Is that what Cavs fans wanted out of this draft? No. Is it a reasonable consolation prize at the #6 pick? Yes.
Like some of you, I’m particularly interested in overseas players – does it seem to you that the pendulum has swung too far away from Euros? – Satoransky is a highly regarded 2, etc. Stashing even a couple of players might be desirable – being them over once we are rolling?
p.s. Just had a chat with a HUGE (and obnoxious) Knicks fan – they are fearing that somebody will outbid them for Jeremy Lin. #1 fear is a backloaded contract that puts them over the limit in 2 years. #2 fear is someone with a ton of cap room makes a big 1-year offer that keeps them from matching in 2012-13. Hmmmm…. WE have the cap room & screwing over the Knicks might be fun. BUT….
If Lin goes elsewhere, then the Knicks will be the most motivated bidder for Steve Nash (keeping Nash from Miami, Lakers or other evil teams ;) Would it be worth a 1-year $8 MM deal with Lin to keep Nash from the Heat?
p.s. Yes, I need less caffeine… :)
Really? Your idea involves attempting to screw over the KNICKS of all teams by overpaying an overrated player?
Pardon me, I misread the last part there regarding keeping Nash from the Heat. Sorry.
It’s still a crazy idea. That’s crazy. You’re crazy. (sorry for the triple post)
I really worry about the “work ethic” questions about PJ3. Reading bout him in that NYT article and realizing that it takes more than some preternatural gift to have the handle and knowledge of passing angles that he has sours me on that narrative. I think it may be more likely that he went to a school that was close to home and comfortable in Baylor. As we’ve seen with every player on that team in the Scott Drew era, they don’t develop players at Baylor and they don’t use their personnel properly. They had a 9 deep athletic team and played a ZONE. A 1-3-1-ISH ZONE. I’m actually encouraged that in a year when another wing scorer came in and it took 3/4 of the season for Drew to play their best pg that PJ3 did regress sharply. Imagine him in a motion-based offense like Duke’s or the Dribble-drive offense with multiple options?
Also, he doesn’t seem like the most assertive kid. He seems to want affirmation and I don’t think there’s a better place to get that than with a charismatic point guard who will encourage you to finish and score. ‘Rie will get his and be very happy to not be passing to Omri or ‘Tawn. Imagine the pinch post plays with a willing passer…
Sorry that should read ” I’m actually encouraged that in a year when another wing scorer came in and it took 3/4 of the season for Drew to play their best pg that PJ3 DIDN’T regress sharply.
I agree with D. Everything I’ve heard about PJ3 is that he’s a great kid, works hard, loves the game, but is just a little too passive. With Kyrie, he wouldn’t need to be as aggressive, not to mention the fact that Scott and Kyrie will be riding him to take over at times. I am biased, as I love his talent and potential, but I would definitely be okay with him, possibly even at 4.
I’d rank those 3 Jones/Barnes/Drummond and if that’s our worst case scenario I’d be happy with it. Two months ago we were looking at the 8th best lottery odds. I think Jones could be a dynamic 3 if he’s paired with an elite PG who could keep him engaged. Barnes has the lowest ceiling of the 3 players but he has the highest floor also. Drummond is raw, but he has elite potential. UCONN was a mess all around and they rarely ran plays for him.
This is where Grant and his team of player evaluators earn their stripes. Simply put, take the best player available, regardless of position, other than point guard. This draft is not going to be defined by who the Cavs take first, but how effective the Cavs are in converting their other trade picks/assests into players that “fit” the long-terms need of the team.
The Cavs are, in many ways, like the Browns going into this draft. Roughly 25% of the roster is open to new draft picks. If one believes in the absolute imperative of building a 9 to 12 man rotation that is sustainable over the long haul then the effectiveness of picks 24, 33, and 34 are equally important. How they all “fit” is, without question, a defining factor in making the right choices.
James, I’m pretty sure the class will still be defined by the first, likely top 5, pick. If we get MKG or Davis and they turn us into a contender, or if we draft Drummond and he ends up being the bust he’s destined to be, we’ll be remember for that, not whether or not we got a 20 minute player in the early second round. Sure, it would be a nice bonus, but top 10 picks define the league, and therefore the draft for any team that has one of those picks.
After reading Colin’s thoughts does it scare anyone else that if we end up with Drummond what the Cavs ceiling will be? I mean doesn’t everyone already kind of compare Kyrie to Chris Paul, so if we end up with two athletic yet non-threatening from outside 10 feet big men isn’t the Cavs ceiling the same as the Clippers ceiling? You know always very good, but never great, maybe the fourth best team in the NBA, but never the best kind of thing? I think that should push us away from Drummond more than anything and maybe towards Barnes if we don’t end up with a top 3 pick even though his ceiling isn’t as high, he at least gives the Cavs another scorer who can spot up and every now and again create his own shot. Hopefully this becomes a moot point and the Cavs hit in the lottery, but I think I want nothing to do with Drummond if the Cavs don’t end up in the top 3.
Call me crazy, but if we miss out on Davis, MKG, and Beal, I think I’m leaning more for Sullinger. I know people aren’t high on him, but he really should be a better version of paul millsap. He’s a tad bigger, has better range, anchored one of the better defenses in the NCAA as the only true big on the court, and his college stats are slightly better in points per minute, slightly worse in rebounds and shooting percentage (cause he took jump shots and 3′s) and is significantly better at FTs, all of this against Big 10 competition instead of the WAC.
He’s never going to be All-NBA, but he’ll make his share of All Star games and his floor is almost as high as his ceiling. I don’t like him in the top 3, but I think he’s the safest pick after that, and bound to end up being one of the 5 best players in the top 10 of the draft in hindsight. Plus he’s the stretch 4 we need to balance out Andy and TT on the block. Its an undersized frontcourt, sure, but I actually think skill wise they would play off each other well. Verajoa and TT with cuts and dunks, Sully with post moves and stretchyness, TT with blocks, Andy with charges, and Sully with team D and positioning, and all of them with rebounds. Its not like there are that many Bynums in the NBA anymore where you need a 7 footer (and you don’t even need one for him really). Miami and OKC and SA are doing just fine with their 6’11 and 6’10 centers.
Considering that Byron Scott has very limited patience with players he feels aren’t playing hard, I doubt the Cavs will draft Drummond. Look how quick he was to bench Semih Erden.
Also, I don’t think Barnes is as limited as people are saying. NC was a loaded team last season. They really didn’t need Barnes to post up or drive the lane. I think his job was mainly to shoot from outside. Of course, this is just my opinion. I’m no expert, just an arm-chair point guard…lol.
Is anyone else a little concerned about drafting MKG? Not that I think he’ll be a bust. Far from it. But think about that starting line up: Varejao, TT, MKG, ?, Kyrie. You’ve got a frontcourt that has no range on their shot. Now you’ve one wing that’s also limited. I think the Cavs would be great on D and in transition, but half-court offense could get dicey. If they do get MKG, they darn sure need to pickup a sharpshooter at SG.
Which qualities are most malleable? This is the question that always comes up for me during draft lottery season. The conventional assumption is that jumpy, lanky guys potentially become great, while skilled players have a lower ceiling. This is intuitive, but kind of misguided, I think. After all, skilled players may just as easily become really really skilled (think: Kevin Love). To a large extent, eye-hand coordination, which underlies the ability to consistently make 3-point shots, may be just as biologically-based as jumpiness. That may be why it’s so uncommon for 50% foul shooters in college to become 85% foul shooters in the NBA. Or why Eric Snow never learned to knock down 17 footers, despite his reportedly excellent work ethic. “Psychological” traits may be another fairly organic quality, which is why Drommond and PJ3 scare me. (Ben Gordon was inconsistent in college and he’s inconsistent now.) We love to credit coaches for teaching players work ethic, but if playing basketball on national TV isn’t motivation enough, what is? Sometimes a 19-year-old with a questionable attitude turns into a mature, relentless 23-year-old, but it’s so hard to predict.
Obviously, skills, work ethic, athleticism can all improve with time and practice, and every year a couple young players suddenly seem to suddenly “get it,” but predicting which player that will be might just be impossible. I think the safest option is to look at who is actually the best player now, control for age (e.g. MKG is a lot younger than Robinson), consider who’s already on the team (as Colin explained), and hope the player you pick happens to blossom.
Oh, and rebounding ability is a steady skill that extends into the NBA, according to sports economist Dave Berri, so for Chris’ sake, if the Cavs have a chance at a Kenneth Faried, draft him!
@DCG
Yup!!! I am always amazed how often people talk about the less “talented” player being the guy who doesn’t jump as well. Seems to me that it is also a “talent” to be able to be ridiculously accurate on a shot. Technical development certainly helps a jumpshot (ie, Jason Kidd) but rebounding position, ball skills and shooting ability is also to some degree innate. I wouldn’t be opposed to Sullinger for these reasons. We have seen time and time again that rebounding translates to the pros. We need a defensive rebounder and also someone who can make a 17 footer regularly on our frontline.
Speaking of which, I am consistently AMAZED with how wrong practically everyone is about Serge Ibaka. Yes, he is an African player. Yes, he is insanely athletic. Somehow because of this, people assume he can’t shoot and is a liability on offense. The guy has great shooting mechanics, had a tiny foul shooting regression this season after last season’s 75% but is still about 70% for his career, and his offensive efficiency rating this year was a ridiculous 122. The fact that he is the best shot blocker in the game and comes from the same country as Dikembe has somehow obscured this. He is a great two way player, and we should strongly consider making a run at him as OKC won’t be able to pay everyone. As much as I like Tristan, he will NEVER be as good as Ibaka on offense or defense. Ibaka is a truly special talent.
If the Cavs are at 4 or 5 and the 3 they really want (assuming that is Davis, Beal, and MKG) are gone, then I would seriously consider trading down if someone wants to move up. Problem is, I don’t think anyone is going to be excited about moving up in this draft, beyond maybe the top 3 spots. I don’t get excited about any of the guys left in the 4-6 range and feel you’d be just as well off grabbing more players in this draft or a future one than placing your bets on guys who were physically out of this world but drifted in and out of games at the college level. In other words, I think this draft is very risky and way over hyped.
Matt,
I have to disagree with you regarding the importance of the 24, 33, and 34th picks of the Cavs. There is a reason that Grant has worked so hard to accumulate these picks. If you look at the Cavs projected roster going into next year, the analysis tells you that there are 6 to 8 obvious holes. The fact that the Cavs can fill half these holes through the draft should not be underestimated. Imagine their situation if all they had was the number 3 pick, for example. I can only imagine, as well. how giddy an organization like San Antonio would be to have these picks to play with. This is not meant to diminish the importance of the Cavs first pick, but, for one, I am going to be more focused on what they do from 24 to 34. I have no doubt that Grant et al. are equally focused. It is just a wonderful opportunity to create depth and take some calculated risks.
Kevin,
What if, just what if, in the Cavs absolute best judgement and evaluation they deem Drummond to be be the real deal. I understand your agony very well. At this juncture, there is nothing other than “potential” to hang your hat on. The numbers certainly don’t justify any support for Drummond, not to mention his apparent lack of motivation. But then I ask, what if Grant and his team get to see this guy up close and personal and come to the conclusion that he could really turn into something dominant. It does cause one to pause. I, for one, have no problem at all visualizing TT and Drummond parked in the paint.
james,
As some context, last year I was in the chorus of fans that wanted Valanciunas over Tristan. While I thought Tristan was good (i probably rated him 10th or something), I thought Jonas was the likely future all-star. Now with TT in tow, and wanting the team to be successful, clearly I think patience is the best perspective.
With that as intro, if the Cavs decide they like Drummond at 4, 5 or 6; I’ll be espousing patience from the start, regardless of if I like Robinson, PJ3 or whoever else better than him. Drummond is a rare athletic profile…I have no idea if he’s a future all-star or a relative bust. So, I have no basis to form a contradictory opinion. A big difference between last year and this year is I didn’t see “all-star” potential in TT at draft time last year and I’m not overly confident in “repeat all-star” likelihood of Robinson, PJ3, Barnes, etc this year.
I agree james that the picks 24-32 will get more focus, because there is less obvious of choices, more variables, and you can good players there but more often then not you don’t. We’ll do well to land contender level starter/6th man with those picks. While yes, two or all 3 of them will probably get minutes next year because we are so thin, that doesn’t mean that is what the draft will be remembered for or how it will have lasting impact on our franchise. The guy we pick in the top 6 will be top dollar, and will be more important than the other 3 combined. Unless we somehow nail every single one of the picks, which isn’t going to happen and is unreasonable to expect or even hope for.
We’re not getting an ibaka, Afflolo and Marc Gasol in one draft. Its just not going to happen. And even if we get two, they won’t have the long term impact of say, landing a hall of Famer (which this class will likely produce a couple of) or a complete bust (Drummond, Here’s to you) with that first pick.
sorry, meant to say we’ll be lucky to land one starter/6th-man-on-a-contending-team level player
The best part about our draft is that we know our needs and we have versatility in our frontcourt. Anderson can play the 4 or 5, which let’s us work around Thompson and Drummond if we end up at 5 or 6. For the next 3 years at least, Andy can play at a high enough level to help us develop young talent.
My ranks are: Davis, MKG, Beal, Drummond, PJones, T Rob.
I don’t quite know where to rank T Rob exactly because he plays the exact same position as Tristan. Could we draft T Rob…and start him and Andy? Tristan would then be our first big off the bench.
Mid targets: Rivers, Waiters, and T Ross…those guys could come right in and play.
@pete… thanks! ;)
But if the Knicks are worried about this, it wouldn’t hurt to drive up the bidding a little? And it’s about the only way now to keep Nash from the Heat (supposedly the only team for which Steve will play for below-market salary).
So, at the risk of extending the crazy :0 ……………………
Could Nash & Irving play together?
I think tristan thompson has a very high ceiling and is going to be great in this league one day.
Keith,
My stance on Robinson is if the Cavs like him at pick 4 – 6, they should draft him…and it shouldn’t mean anything negative against Thompson. Not looking specifically at next year, but if the Cavs targeted a legit 7-footer with some shooting range in the next several years; why can’t a “TT, TRob, legit 7-footer with a jump shot” be a reasonable big man rotation? Simple math means they all play 32 minutes and the team play small & fast for 16 minutes a game. Tristan’s long and athletic and has played a little center. Robinson’s a great athlete and rebounder with an outstanding “motor”. If I was 100% confident he had range on his shot (he could develop a reliable jumper), I would definitely like him at #4, even with TT already on the roster. While I question his jumper; I tentaively rank the draft as:
Davis
MKG
Beal
Robinson
PJ3
Drummond
Barnes
The first 3 are pretty set for me. The bottom 4…you won’t find me complaining about Cleveland choosing any of those players at 4, 5 or 6 (Mr. Stern, please don’t make Cleveland pick 4 – 6).
Kevin, Legit 7 Footers with range that don’t suck at all other aspects of basketball are fairly hard to come by, and the thought process is that we should do well enough in this draft to not be seeing a whole lot of top 10 picks in the near future. Also why does everyone exclude Andy from our future? He was the best player on our team last year while healthy and is only 29 and the rebuild is going faster than planned. He’ll still be a good player in 4 years, we don’t have the talent level to be ejecting good players just because they are getting a little old.
That said, Robinson is a good player, I’d take him over drummond, but not one of the leftover wings like barnes and lamb. His skill set is far too redundant with Varajoa and TT, though I think he will be a better player than TT. We can’t keep slightly upgrading our PF spot with top 5 picks for multiple years in a row though. Hopefully if we fall to 4 someone else falls for him, and MKG or beal fall to us there. Can’t wait for 5 more days, let the ball bouncing begin!
Matt,
I’m talking long range plan – maybe 5 years down the road. At that time, TRob and TT would both be 26 and really be towards the early part of their prime. I wasn’t trying to exclude Andy from the near future or indicate that landing a 7-footer with range was easy. The 7-footer could come through a draft pick or free agency in the next four – five years. I was more indicating that with a real long-view, it’s reasonable to think you can build a team with Thompson and Robinson. If not, and they’re both really good…trade one of them for what the team does need. Certainly the Cavs have major needs at the wing, but I want them to pick the players they are most sure are going to be the best NBA players. If that’s Robinson and then three wings at 24, 33 and 34; I’ll be fine with it. If the Cavs like Barnes, PJ3, Drummond best and take them at 4 or 5…that’s fine too.
I agree that if the Cavs pick 4th, hopefully someone bites on Drummond’s promise and leaves MKG or Beal at 4. If it’s the Cavs talking themselves into Drummond at 2 or 3…that’s when I’ll probably be complaining.
I totally agree with Kevin that the Cavs need to take BPA, and that if that player is a PF or PF/C type, there will be enough minutes for all three of the Cavs bigs. A rotation of a stud rookie big plus TT and Varejao for about 32 minutes each per game is ideal. If they kept selecting another developmental big in round 2 over the next few drafts to replace Andy in 3-4 years that could be a great plan. Having two second rounders almost every season going forward makes that a viable plan. Marc Gasol, Deandre Jordan, Andy Varejao, Scola, Gortat and Ilyasova were all such 2d round developmental picks.
As far as Drummond, I can think of one bright side to his low downside. If he develops slow or completely busts the team that selects him will have a great shot at Cody Zeller in next year’s draft.
Here’s a vid of John Lucas talking about players at his draft workouts and the first guy he mentions as being impressed by is my man-crush, John Henson! Haha! What I did find interesting is that Luc mentioned he can hit the shot like a stretch 4 and that is what I was thinking when I mentioned way back when they he coud be the next Rasheed. We’ll see, I guess…btw, I REALLY expect the meme to start changing as far as the depth and quality of this draft. I sense it swinging back towards “this is a really good and deep draft.” Just watch…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4Setg17kBY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Barton and O’Quinn might also be good second round options for the Cavs. Not being able to remember Quincy Miller’s first name makes me wonder if there either is a problem with Lucas’ evaluation or Quincy’s true value.
Kevin,
Shouldn’t the Cavs get PJ3 if they fall just because his talent and the fact he can play the 3 and the 4 that lets use start him at the 3 were he would like to play and he will have a huge advatage over must 3′s just by height by the way and then if we need play him at the 4 at the end so they can’t just foul TT plus the rebounds we would get from PJ3,TT, and Andy all on the floor it would seem its a win for the cavs and a win for PJ3 he gets to play the 3 which after the workout he wants to do.
My rank is
davis,beal,mkg,pj3,drummond,barnes
@24 i would love to get Qunincy miller